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02 Dec 2018, 11:52 pm

I have noticed in threads on this subject that people have been repeating themselves for quite a while. Which I think is an indication that the case has been stagnant for quite a while. At least from an observer's point of view. Somewhere down the line there might be a bombshell delivered. But in the meantime it's mostly just been static.



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03 Dec 2018, 12:16 am

EzraS wrote:
I have noticed in threads on this subject that people have been repeating themselves for quite a while. Which I think is an indication that the case has been stagnant for quite a while. At least from an observer's point of view. Somewhere down the line there might be a bombshell delivered. But in the meantime it's mostly just been static.


That will change when Mueller gives us something new to talk about.


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03 Dec 2018, 12:21 am

That would be a rehashing.



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03 Dec 2018, 12:24 am

EzraS wrote:
That would be a rehashing.


Unless it's devastatingly new.


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03 Dec 2018, 12:55 am

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It's driving pretty much everyone crazy because it's just a road to nowhere. Mueller should be investigated for his role in the Iraq war. There's zero evidence of 'collusion'. It's a joke.



Mueller's indictments and convictions of Trump henchmen says otherwise.
Most of them have fallen into perjury traps. For example: Jerome Corsi was asked if he sent an email to somebody and said he didn't. The next day the FBI showed him an e-mail he sent 2 years ago to that somebody. He was charged with lying to the FBI because he forgot about the email. Who the hell remembers e-mails they sent 2 years ago?! That's how desperate Mueller is because he has no evidence. He's trying to scare people in to making up incriminating stuff about Trump.

Don't you people watch Law & Order? When they're looking for a murderer they often find drug addicts or dealers or other lower level criminals (who had nothing to do with the murder) and tell them "We don't care about you, just tell us where the murderer is, or the lower level criminal is arrested and given a deal in exchange for giving up the murderer. All the people that have been charged by Mueller are the equivalent of drug addicts in a murder investigation who had nothing to do with the murder.

If Mueller had any evidence, he wouldn't have to do this. He wouldn't have to question Trump either. Everybody knows you only interrogate a suspect when you don't have enough evidence to charge them.


Of course Mueller is going through lessers to reach Trump. It's common among prosecutors, and hardly means he doesn't have anything.


That's utter nonsense. If the evidence was there the NSA would have it. He's just dragging it out to stop Trump trying to organise better relations with Russia.


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03 Dec 2018, 12:55 am

EzraS wrote:
That would be a rehashing.


Welcome back sir.


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03 Dec 2018, 1:04 am

It makes no sense that Russia would rather have Trump as president than Hillary. He was (politically) an unknown entity before he was elected. Obama was letting Russia get away with murder, so why wouldn't they want to help Hillary get elected on order to continue that? In fact, Russia meddled in the election not to benefit either candidate but just to cause chaos and damage the integrity of our elections. And liberals are playing right into their hands. We all are to a certain extent.


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03 Dec 2018, 1:20 am

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It makes no sense that Russia would rather have Trump as president than Hillary. He was (politically) an unknown entity before he was elected. Obama was letting Russia get away with murder, so why wouldn't they want to help Hillary get elected on order to continue that? In fact, Russia meddled in the election not to benefit either candidate but just to cause chaos and damage the integrity of our elections. And liberals are playing right into their hands. We all are to a certain extent.


Putin threw his support behind Trump because Trump was compromised with laundering money for the Russian mob (which is pretty much a branch of Russian government), for Trump's dreams of building a Trump Tower in Moscow, and possibly because of the pee tape.


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03 Dec 2018, 1:23 am

JohnPowell wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Heat844 wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
JohnPowell wrote:
It's driving pretty much everyone crazy because it's just a road to nowhere. Mueller should be investigated for his role in the Iraq war. There's zero evidence of 'collusion'. It's a joke.



Mueller's indictments and convictions of Trump henchmen says otherwise.
Most of them have fallen into perjury traps. For example: Jerome Corsi was asked if he sent an email to somebody and said he didn't. The next day the FBI showed him an e-mail he sent 2 years ago to that somebody. He was charged with lying to the FBI because he forgot about the email. Who the hell remembers e-mails they sent 2 years ago?! That's how desperate Mueller is because he has no evidence. He's trying to scare people in to making up incriminating stuff about Trump.

Don't you people watch Law & Order? When they're looking for a murderer they often find drug addicts or dealers or other lower level criminals (who had nothing to do with the murder) and tell them "We don't care about you, just tell us where the murderer is, or the lower level criminal is arrested and given a deal in exchange for giving up the murderer. All the people that have been charged by Mueller are the equivalent of drug addicts in a murder investigation who had nothing to do with the murder.

If Mueller had any evidence, he wouldn't have to do this. He wouldn't have to question Trump either. Everybody knows you only interrogate a suspect when you don't have enough evidence to charge them.


Of course Mueller is going through lessers to reach Trump. It's common among prosecutors, and hardly means he doesn't have anything.


That's utter nonsense. If the evidence was there the NSA would have it. He's just dragging it out to stop Trump trying to organise better relations with Russia.


Or maybe... just maybe... he's just meticulously gathering evidence. No investigation is successful if it's entirely in the public eye before being finished.


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03 Dec 2018, 1:35 am

Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:
That would be a rehashing.


Unless it's devastatingly new.


What do you mean?



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03 Dec 2018, 2:03 am

EzraS wrote:
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That would be a rehashing.


Unless it's devastatingly new.


What do you mean?


Stuff that's not anything rehashed, but new and damning information showing Trump's guilt.


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03 Dec 2018, 2:28 am

Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:
That would be a rehashing.


Unless it's devastatingly new.


What do you mean?


Stuff that's not anything rehashed, but new and damning information showing Trump's guilt.


I would find something legitimately concrete being presented very refreshing.



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03 Dec 2018, 2:33 am

EzraS wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:
That would be a rehashing.


Unless it's devastatingly new.


What do you mean?


Stuff that's not anything rehashed, but new and damning information showing Trump's guilt.


I would find something legitimately concrete being presented very refreshing.


How about Cohen admitting that the Trump Tower meeting with the Russians included Trump's plan to build a tower in Moscow as part of the collusion deal?


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03 Dec 2018, 5:43 am

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How about Cohen admitting that the Trump Tower meeting with the Russians included Trump's plan to build a tower in Moscow as part of the collusion deal?


If it leads to Trump being indicted and or grounds for impeachment proceedings, that will be refreshing.



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03 Dec 2018, 2:52 pm

Personally, I'm enjoying the pace the investigation is taking. I enjoy every new indictment. I've come to recognize Paul Manafort, for instance, as just as much of a sociopath as Donald Trump - just a bit less successful. You can tell when Trump is sweating bullets, just by the content of his Twitter feed, and every time he has a bad day, hooray.

I've never been this much of a news junkie in my life!


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03 Dec 2018, 4:41 pm

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You liberals should be aware that Papadopolus' lawyer(s) filed a case that claims that Mueller's appointment was unconstitutional because he wasn't confirmed by the senate. This is the same law that you guys wanna get Whittaker with. However the court rules for 1 they will likely rule for the other. So be careful what you wish for.

But I don't understand something. Weren't Ken Starr(and other special prosecutors) appointed the same way as Mueller? :?


What law claims that Mueller has to be confirmed by the Senate? Do you have any cites of cases establishing precedent?