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14 Dec 2018, 9:38 pm

kokopelli wrote:
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NOTHING to do with 'collusion'. The whole thing is a complete hoax.


I see that you got Trump's talking points.

Is anyone even claiming that it has anything to do with collusion? I haven't heard anyone claim that.

Mueller did exactly as he should have when he found the serious problems with Cohen breaking the law -- he referred it to the proper federal authorities to investigate and prosecute.


The special council was formed to find evidence that Trump colluded with Putin to interfere with the election.


No. The special counsel was formed to investigate any connections between members of the Trump campaign and Russia. And that was definitely happening.

I doubt that Trump was colluding with Russia, but if he was, then he should be prosecuted, too.


So just Trump's people having any (rather than specific) connections to Russia, which wouldn't involve Trump himself being involved.

In what way was that definitely happening? What indictments have there been specifically regarding connections between members of the Trump campaign and Russia?



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15 Dec 2018, 12:34 am

kokopelli wrote:
JohnPowell wrote:
NOTHING to do with 'collusion'. The whole thing is a complete hoax.


I see that you got Trump's talking points.

Is anyone even claiming that it has anything to do with collusion? I haven't heard anyone claim that.

Mueller did exactly as he should have when he found the serious problems with Cohen breaking the law -- he referred it to the proper federal authorities to investigate and prosecute.


Anyone can see it's a hoax and a boring joke.

Lol you ought to read Animal Farm. Don't start pretending the farce investigation was about Trump paying a prostitute. It was about collusion and meddling.


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15 Dec 2018, 12:35 am

kokopelli wrote:
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No one should be above the law, if a crime has been committed then the perpetrator must pay.

More good work from Mueller & co


That's not why he's been put away.


If he didn't commit any crimes why did he plead guilty to committing crimes?


That's not my point. It's just politically motivated. Mueller is just dragging it out.


I guess you didn't know that Mueller is a Republican. A real Republican.


He's a neocon lying traitor. A real neocon lying traitor.


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15 Dec 2018, 12:52 am

EzraS wrote:
kokopelli wrote:
EzraS wrote:
kokopelli wrote:
JohnPowell wrote:
NOTHING to do with 'collusion'. The whole thing is a complete hoax.


I see that you got Trump's talking points.

Is anyone even claiming that it has anything to do with collusion? I haven't heard anyone claim that.

Mueller did exactly as he should have when he found the serious problems with Cohen breaking the law -- he referred it to the proper federal authorities to investigate and prosecute.


The special council was formed to find evidence that Trump colluded with Putin to interfere with the election.


No. The special counsel was formed to investigate any connections between members of the Trump campaign and Russia. And that was definitely happening.

I doubt that Trump was colluding with Russia, but if he was, then he should be prosecuted, too.


So just Trump's people having any (rather than specific) connections to Russia, which wouldn't involve Trump himself being involved.

In what way was that definitely happening? What indictments have there been specifically regarding connections between members of the Trump campaign and Russia?


Are you completely blind to the fact that Manafort had very strong ties to Russia. Not only that, he was actively trying to sell his insight into the Trump campaign to the Russians when he sought to provide them with private briefings on it.

And Manafort was hardly the only one.



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15 Dec 2018, 12:54 am

JohnPowell wrote:
kokopelli wrote:
JohnPowell wrote:
NOTHING to do with 'collusion'. The whole thing is a complete hoax.


I see that you got Trump's talking points.

Is anyone even claiming that it has anything to do with collusion? I haven't heard anyone claim that.

Mueller did exactly as he should have when he found the serious problems with Cohen breaking the law -- he referred it to the proper federal authorities to investigate and prosecute.


Anyone can see it's a hoax and a boring joke.

Lol you ought to read Animal Farm. Don't start pretending the farce investigation was about Trump paying a prostitute. It was about collusion and meddling.


Anyone who doesn't have the integrity to look beyond their own biases would think it is a hoax.

And don't try to put words in my mouth. When have I ever said it was about paying a prostitute? Provide cites to where I have said that or admit you are lying.



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15 Dec 2018, 12:58 am

JohnPowell wrote:
kokopelli wrote:
JohnPowell wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
JohnPowell wrote:
Biscuitman wrote:
No one should be above the law, if a crime has been committed then the perpetrator must pay.

More good work from Mueller & co


That's not why he's been put away.


If he didn't commit any crimes why did he plead guilty to committing crimes?


That's not my point. It's just politically motivated. Mueller is just dragging it out.


I guess you didn't know that Mueller is a Republican. A real Republican.


He's a neocon lying traitor. A real neocon lying traitor.


I'll never understand the minds of people who so strongly detest anyone who they see as on another side than their own. There are plenty of lying traitors out there, but Mueller isn't one of them.

The biggest liar in government today has to be Trump. He hasn't told the truth in so long that he can no longer distinguish between the truth and lies.



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15 Dec 2018, 3:00 am

kokopelli wrote:
Anyone who doesn't have the integrity to look beyond their own biases would think it is a hoax


Agreed



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15 Dec 2018, 5:03 am

kokopelli wrote:
EzraS wrote:
kokopelli wrote:
EzraS wrote:
kokopelli wrote:
JohnPowell wrote:
NOTHING to do with 'collusion'. The whole thing is a complete hoax.


I see that you got Trump's talking points.

Is anyone even claiming that it has anything to do with collusion? I haven't heard anyone claim that.

Mueller did exactly as he should have when he found the serious problems with Cohen breaking the law -- he referred it to the proper federal authorities to investigate and prosecute.


The special council was formed to find evidence that Trump colluded with Putin to interfere with the election.


No. The special counsel was formed to investigate any connections between members of the Trump campaign and Russia. And that was definitely happening.

I doubt that Trump was colluding with Russia, but if he was, then he should be prosecuted, too.


So just Trump's people having any (rather than specific) connections to Russia, which wouldn't involve Trump himself being involved.

In what way was that definitely happening? What indictments have there been specifically regarding connections between members of the Trump campaign and Russia?


Are you completely blind to the fact that Manafort had very strong ties to Russia. Not only that, he was actively trying to sell his insight into the Trump campaign to the Russians when he sought to provide them with private briefings on it.

And Manafort was hardly the only one.


What was Manafort incited for that was specifically related to connections to Russia as a member of the Trump campaign? In other words, where does it say connections to or colluding with Russia in the list of indictments?



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15 Dec 2018, 6:14 am

kokopelli wrote:
EzraS wrote:
kokopelli wrote:
EzraS wrote:
kokopelli wrote:
JohnPowell wrote:
NOTHING to do with 'collusion'. The whole thing is a complete hoax.


I see that you got Trump's talking points.

Is anyone even claiming that it has anything to do with collusion? I haven't heard anyone claim that.

Mueller did exactly as he should have when he found the serious problems with Cohen breaking the law -- he referred it to the proper federal authorities to investigate and prosecute.


The special council was formed to find evidence that Trump colluded with Putin to interfere with the election.


No. The special counsel was formed to investigate any connections between members of the Trump campaign and Russia. And that was definitely happening.

I doubt that Trump was colluding with Russia, but if he was, then he should be prosecuted, too.


So just Trump's people having any (rather than specific) connections to Russia, which wouldn't involve Trump himself being involved.

In what way was that definitely happening? What indictments have there been specifically regarding connections between members of the Trump campaign and Russia?


Are you completely blind to the fact that Manafort had very strong ties to Russia. Not only that, he was actively trying to sell his insight into the Trump campaign to the Russians when he sought to provide them with private briefings on it.

And Manafort was hardly the only one.


Having 'ties to Russia' is not a crime or proof of 'collusion'. He'd have spoke with numerous countries.
What we do have is Flynn and the Trump campaign colluding with Israel to try and get Russia to veto a UN resolution about illegal Israeli settlements.


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15 Dec 2018, 6:18 am

kokopelli wrote:
JohnPowell wrote:
kokopelli wrote:
JohnPowell wrote:
NOTHING to do with 'collusion'. The whole thing is a complete hoax.


I see that you got Trump's talking points.

Is anyone even claiming that it has anything to do with collusion? I haven't heard anyone claim that.

Mueller did exactly as he should have when he found the serious problems with Cohen breaking the law -- he referred it to the proper federal authorities to investigate and prosecute.


Anyone can see it's a hoax and a boring joke.

Lol you ought to read Animal Farm. Don't start pretending the farce investigation was about Trump paying a prostitute. It was about collusion and meddling.


Anyone who doesn't have the integrity to look beyond their own biases would think it is a hoax.

And don't try to put words in my mouth. When have I ever said it was about paying a prostitute? Provide cites to where I have said that or admit you are lying.


Oh the IRONY. It's the Trump haters that are blind with their own biases, so much so that they buy this tripe about Russia. And they have found him guilty without zero evidence and before the trial has finished. They criticise Trump for everything he does even when it is positive. I criticise him when I think he has done something bad.


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15 Dec 2018, 6:19 am

JohnPowell wrote:
kokopelli wrote:
EzraS wrote:
kokopelli wrote:
EzraS wrote:
kokopelli wrote:
JohnPowell wrote:
NOTHING to do with 'collusion'. The whole thing is a complete hoax.


I see that you got Trump's talking points.

Is anyone even claiming that it has anything to do with collusion? I haven't heard anyone claim that.

Mueller did exactly as he should have when he found the serious problems with Cohen breaking the law -- he referred it to the proper federal authorities to investigate and prosecute.


The special council was formed to find evidence that Trump colluded with Putin to interfere with the election.


No. The special counsel was formed to investigate any connections between members of the Trump campaign and Russia. And that was definitely happening.

I doubt that Trump was colluding with Russia, but if he was, then he should be prosecuted, too.


So just Trump's people having any (rather than specific) connections to Russia, which wouldn't involve Trump himself being involved.

In what way was that definitely happening? What indictments have there been specifically regarding connections between members of the Trump campaign and Russia?


Are you completely blind to the fact that Manafort had very strong ties to Russia. Not only that, he was actively trying to sell his insight into the Trump campaign to the Russians when he sought to provide them with private briefings on it.

And Manafort was hardly the only one.


Having 'ties to Russia' is not a crime or proof of 'collusion'. He'd have spoke with numerous countries.
What we do have is Flynn and the Trump campaign colluding with Israel to try and get Russia to veto a UN resolution about illegal Israeli settlements.


It doesn't matter whether having ties to Russia is a crime. It is definitely worth looking into to see if there are any crimes involved when there is evidence between ties between members of a campaign and a country that often works against our interests. Not doing so would be truly stupid



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15 Dec 2018, 6:20 am

kokopelli wrote:
JohnPowell wrote:
kokopelli wrote:
JohnPowell wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
JohnPowell wrote:
Biscuitman wrote:
No one should be above the law, if a crime has been committed then the perpetrator must pay.

More good work from Mueller & co


That's not why he's been put away.


If he didn't commit any crimes why did he plead guilty to committing crimes?


That's not my point. It's just politically motivated. Mueller is just dragging it out.


I guess you didn't know that Mueller is a Republican. A real Republican.


He's a neocon lying traitor. A real neocon lying traitor.


I'll never understand the minds of people who so strongly detest anyone who they see as on another side than their own. There are plenty of lying traitors out there, but Mueller isn't one of them.

The biggest liar in government today has to be Trump. He hasn't told the truth in so long that he can no longer distinguish between the truth and lies.


So you don't understand yourself? Mueller is definitely one of them, you hate Trump so much so won't admit it. Ironic again.

He is indeed a liar.


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15 Dec 2018, 6:22 am

kokopelli wrote:
JohnPowell wrote:
kokopelli wrote:
EzraS wrote:
kokopelli wrote:
EzraS wrote:
kokopelli wrote:
JohnPowell wrote:
NOTHING to do with 'collusion'. The whole thing is a complete hoax.


I see that you got Trump's talking points.

Is anyone even claiming that it has anything to do with collusion? I haven't heard anyone claim that.

Mueller did exactly as he should have when he found the serious problems with Cohen breaking the law -- he referred it to the proper federal authorities to investigate and prosecute.


The special council was formed to find evidence that Trump colluded with Putin to interfere with the election.


No. The special counsel was formed to investigate any connections between members of the Trump campaign and Russia. And that was definitely happening.

I doubt that Trump was colluding with Russia, but if he was, then he should be prosecuted, too.


So just Trump's people having any (rather than specific) connections to Russia, which wouldn't involve Trump himself being involved.

In what way was that definitely happening? What indictments have there been specifically regarding connections between members of the Trump campaign and Russia?


Are you completely blind to the fact that Manafort had very strong ties to Russia. Not only that, he was actively trying to sell his insight into the Trump campaign to the Russians when he sought to provide them with private briefings on it.

And Manafort was hardly the only one.


Having 'ties to Russia' is not a crime or proof of 'collusion'. He'd have spoke with numerous countries.
What we do have is Flynn and the Trump campaign colluding with Israel to try and get Russia to veto a UN resolution about illegal Israeli settlements.


It doesn't matter whether having ties to Russia is a crime. It is definitely worth looking into to see if there are any crimes involved when there is evidence between ties between members of a campaign and a country that often works against our interests. Not doing so would be truly stupid


So you're going to look into US politicians who have ties with Israel? Could take a while....


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15 Dec 2018, 6:22 am

EzraS wrote:
kokopelli wrote:
EzraS wrote:
kokopelli wrote:
EzraS wrote:
kokopelli wrote:
JohnPowell wrote:
NOTHING to do with 'collusion'. The whole thing is a complete hoax.


I see that you got Trump's talking points.

Is anyone even claiming that it has anything to do with collusion? I haven't heard anyone claim that.

Mueller did exactly as he should have when he found the serious problems with Cohen breaking the law -- he referred it to the proper federal authorities to investigate and prosecute.


The special council was formed to find evidence that Trump colluded with Putin to interfere with the election.


No. The special counsel was formed to investigate any connections between members of the Trump campaign and Russia. And that was definitely happening.

I doubt that Trump was colluding with Russia, but if he was, then he should be prosecuted, too.


So just Trump's people having any (rather than specific) connections to Russia, which wouldn't involve Trump himself being involved.

In what way was that definitely happening? What indictments have there been specifically regarding connections between members of the Trump campaign and Russia?


Are you completely blind to the fact that Manafort had very strong ties to Russia. Not only that, he was actively trying to sell his insight into the Trump campaign to the Russians when he sought to provide them with private briefings on it.

And Manafort was hardly the only one.


What was Manafort incited for that was specifically related to connections to Russia as a member of the Trump campaign? In other words, where does it say connections to or colluding with Russia in the list of indictments?


It doesn't matter. You can't expect them to ignore other crimes that come to light during an investigation. The only real question becomes whether the investigators take on the investigation into those crimes themselves or refer them to other investigators. As we have seen, Trump investigators like to whine about it either way.



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15 Dec 2018, 6:23 am

JohnPowell wrote:
kokopelli wrote:
JohnPowell wrote:
kokopelli wrote:
EzraS wrote:
kokopelli wrote:
EzraS wrote:
kokopelli wrote:
JohnPowell wrote:
NOTHING to do with 'collusion'. The whole thing is a complete hoax.


I see that you got Trump's talking points.

Is anyone even claiming that it has anything to do with collusion? I haven't heard anyone claim that.

Mueller did exactly as he should have when he found the serious problems with Cohen breaking the law -- he referred it to the proper federal authorities to investigate and prosecute.


The special council was formed to find evidence that Trump colluded with Putin to interfere with the election.


No. The special counsel was formed to investigate any connections between members of the Trump campaign and Russia. And that was definitely happening.

I doubt that Trump was colluding with Russia, but if he was, then he should be prosecuted, too.


So just Trump's people having any (rather than specific) connections to Russia, which wouldn't involve Trump himself being involved.

In what way was that definitely happening? What indictments have there been specifically regarding connections between members of the Trump campaign and Russia?


Are you completely blind to the fact that Manafort had very strong ties to Russia. Not only that, he was actively trying to sell his insight into the Trump campaign to the Russians when he sought to provide them with private briefings on it.

And Manafort was hardly the only one.


Having 'ties to Russia' is not a crime or proof of 'collusion'. He'd have spoke with numerous countries.
What we do have is Flynn and the Trump campaign colluding with Israel to try and get Russia to veto a UN resolution about illegal Israeli settlements.


It doesn't matter whether having ties to Russia is a crime. It is definitely worth looking into to see if there are any crimes involved when there is evidence between ties between members of a campaign and a country that often works against our interests. Not doing so would be truly stupid


So you're going to look into US politicians who have ties with Israel? Could take a while....


Don't be stupid. Israel is not a traditional foe of the US. Russia is.



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15 Dec 2018, 6:26 am

JohnPowell wrote:
kokopelli wrote:
JohnPowell wrote:
kokopelli wrote:
JohnPowell wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
JohnPowell wrote:
Biscuitman wrote:
No one should be above the law, if a crime has been committed then the perpetrator must pay.

More good work from Mueller & co


That's not why he's been put away.


If he didn't commit any crimes why did he plead guilty to committing crimes?


That's not my point. It's just politically motivated. Mueller is just dragging it out.


I guess you didn't know that Mueller is a Republican. A real Republican.


He's a neocon lying traitor. A real neocon lying traitor.


I'll never understand the minds of people who so strongly detest anyone who they see as on another side than their own. There are plenty of lying traitors out there, but Mueller isn't one of them.

The biggest liar in government today has to be Trump. He hasn't told the truth in so long that he can no longer distinguish between the truth and lies.


So you don't understand yourself? Mueller is definitely one of them, you hate Trump so much so won't admit it. Ironic again.

He is indeed a liar.


That's not true. I don't think that Trump is competent to be the President (he has shown his lack of competence to a remarkable degree) and I don't trust him at all, but I don't hate him, either.

We've yet to see any lies from Mueller. Hardly a day goes by that we don't hear lie after lie after lie from Trump.