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21 Jan 2019, 9:49 am

They can take my double-decker bacon cheddar cheeseburger from me when they pry it from my cold, dead fingers!



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21 Jan 2019, 10:52 am

goldfish21 wrote:
@EzraS Everything is about balance, an equilibrium. Nature never intended to sustain such massive cow populations. We did that via factory farming and threw things way out of whack.


I suppose then that nature should have never let humans evolve so far.

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I’m not going to spend my life just eating beans...that’s for sure!


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No one said it’s all or nothing. It’s more like eat beef weekly vs daily.


A lot of people are doing that anyways. I rarely eat beef or pork simply because I grew up hearing it's unhealthy to consume much of it (which it is). Die-hard beef eaters aren't going to care what they're told.

Fnord wrote:
They can take my double-decker bacon cheddar cheeseburger from me when they pry it from my cold, dead fingers!


Like I said.



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21 Jan 2019, 10:59 am

QuantumChemist wrote:
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Humans do have to eat at least some animal foods. We are omnivores.

We should find a more efficient way of raising meats, though.

Imagine if we grazed like cows and other herbivores do?


Scientists are currently working on meat grown in the laboratory. The only animals involved are the one that donated their stem cells to start the process. They are to the stage that they have grown and tasted hamburger. It could pass as regular animal-grown meat, yet does not have the environmental issues that raising livestock has. It will take a few years before the process is perfected, so there is that plan in the works.


I've been hearing about that. Which is why I believe advancements in technology and modernization is going to replace a lot of stuff people worry about destroying the earth anyways.

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For those who want to get rid of raising livestock altogether, do you realize what that would do to American ranchers and the economy in general? It would crush both. There must be a replacement in place if livestock raising is phased out entirely. Otherwise, hello new Great Depression.


I was thinking along those lines myself.



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21 Jan 2019, 6:32 pm

EzraS wrote:
goldfish21 wrote:
@EzraS Everything is about balance, an equilibrium. Nature never intended to sustain such massive cow populations. We did that via factory farming and threw things way out of whack.


I suppose then that nature should have never let humans evolve so far.

kraftiekortie wrote:
I’m not going to spend my life just eating beans...that’s for sure!


goldfish21 wrote:
No one said it’s all or nothing. It’s more like eat beef weekly vs daily.


A lot of people are doing that anyways. I rarely eat beef or pork simply because I grew up hearing it's unhealthy to consume much of it (which it is). Die-hard beef eaters aren't going to care what they're told.

Fnord wrote:
They can take my double-decker bacon cheddar cheeseburger from me when they pry it from my cold, dead fingers!


Like I said.


What do you think nature is doing with rising temperatures, sea levels, GHG’s, diseases melting out of the ice etc? We f****d with nature and it’s going to f**k is right back.

Not enough people limit their red meat intake. Especially in North America - which is why every article like the one this thread is about states that North Americans need to reduce their red meat intake the most.


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21 Jan 2019, 7:01 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:
I’m not going to spend my life just eating beans...that’s for sure!

I can’t eat most vegetables so such a required diet change would kill me.

I mostly eat chicken as beefs expensive



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21 Jan 2019, 10:33 pm

goldfish21 wrote:
EzraS wrote:
goldfish21 wrote:
@EzraS Everything is about balance, an equilibrium. Nature never intended to sustain such massive cow populations. We did that via factory farming and threw things way out of whack.


I suppose then that nature should have never let humans evolve so far.

kraftiekortie wrote:
I’m not going to spend my life just eating beans...that’s for sure!


goldfish21 wrote:
No one said it’s all or nothing. It’s more like eat beef weekly vs daily.


A lot of people are doing that anyways. I rarely eat beef or pork simply because I grew up hearing it's unhealthy to consume much of it (which it is). Die-hard beef eaters aren't going to care what they're told.

Fnord wrote:
They can take my double-decker bacon cheddar cheeseburger from me when they pry it from my cold, dead fingers!


Like I said.


What do you think nature is doing with rising temperatures, sea levels, GHG’s, diseases melting out of the ice etc? We f****d with nature and it’s going to f**k is right back.


What was nature fighting during the ice age? Looking up the worst geological disasters, I see many taking place before the 20th century. Looking up record high temperatures I see many taking place in the early 20th century and late 19th century (can't really go further back because there's no records). I think some of this is like the rise in autism diagnosis. It's not necessarily that autism is becoming more prevalent, but rather that it's being scrutinized more. I think that's the case with climate change science as well.

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Not enough people limit their red meat intake. Especially in North America - which is why every article like the one this thread is about states that North Americans need to reduce their red meat intake the most.


I agree. But more because it's bad for the cardiovascular system, rather than livestock cattle producing methane along with billions of other mammals.