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04 Aug 2019, 2:07 am

Begs the questions how many teens are going to be radicalised in the near future?

All this crap about Antifa yet the real threat from right wing propaganda is blatantly obvious.



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04 Aug 2019, 2:27 am

cyberdad wrote:
Begs the questions how many teens are going to be radicalised in the near future?

All this crap about Antifa yet the real threat from right wing propaganda is blatantly obvious.


While the white nationalists are far more lethal then antifa, curbing free speech has more support in more trendy and youthful circles(ie. the future)

Arguments about who is the bigger threat aside, the problem is this is a vicious circle, they are doing the recruiting work for each other. America is getting eaten away from both sides. This is exponentially harder to stop then a threat coming from one side.


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04 Aug 2019, 3:02 am

I tend to agree with Voltaire about the freedom of speech for the likes of the far right to voice their opinion. Always better to shine a light on the darker corners of our society.

The problem is with psychology of young children/teens who normalise this type of propaganda and begin to believe what Trump and Spencer say about immigrants/non-whites and act on their beliefs.

Brendon Tarrant the NZ mass killer directly attributes Donald Trump as one of his inspirations!!

The perils of free speech are apparent and represent a conundrum....I would rather muzzle Trump till we get rid of him in 2020



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04 Aug 2019, 6:42 am

cyberdad wrote:
I tend to agree with Voltaire about the freedom of speech for the likes of the far right to voice their opinion. Always better to shine a light on the darker corners of our society.

The problem is with psychology of young children/teens who normalise this type of propaganda and begin to believe what Trump and Spencer say about immigrants/non-whites and act on their beliefs.

Brendon Tarrant the NZ mass killer directly attributes Donald Trump as one of his inspirations!!

The perils of free speech are apparent and represent a conundrum....I would rather muzzle Trump till we get rid of him in 2020

That's not true, I read his manifesto. Iirc, he doesn't even like Trump.



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04 Aug 2019, 7:28 am

You know, this starkly illustrates how easy it is to kill with a gun. This guy apparently feared losing his nerve and could only produce a 4 page manifesto littered with errors, but still managed to take himself and his gun down to the mall and kill at least 20 people.

I bet without access to a gun, he wouldn't have been able to kill anyone.



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04 Aug 2019, 7:54 am

Drake wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
I tend to agree with Voltaire about the freedom of speech for the likes of the far right to voice their opinion. Always better to shine a light on the darker corners of our society.

The problem is with psychology of young children/teens who normalise this type of propaganda and begin to believe what Trump and Spencer say about immigrants/non-whites and act on their beliefs.

Brendon Tarrant the NZ mass killer directly attributes Donald Trump as one of his inspirations!!

The perils of free speech are apparent and represent a conundrum....I would rather muzzle Trump till we get rid of him in 2020

That's not true, I read his manifesto. Iirc, he doesn't even like Trump.


No he must be a MAGA, don't you understand how important that is?



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04 Aug 2019, 8:14 am

If Drake’s statement doesn’t support gun control, I wouldn’t know what would support it.



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04 Aug 2019, 8:20 am

Here is the manifesto:

https://i.redd.it/awrzj6yt4ce31.jpg



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04 Aug 2019, 8:32 am

EzraS wrote:
Here is the manifesto:

https://i.redd.it/awrzj6yt4ce31.jpg

That guy is nuts.



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04 Aug 2019, 8:47 am

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If Drake’s statement doesn’t support gun control, I wouldn’t know what would support it.

America's unique combination of strong gun culture and seeing it as a fundamental right to be able to own them as opposed to having to earn the right to own them (and the country being absolutely flooded with them) means unfortunately you can't just implement gun control and expect results. And seemingly no amount of carnage will change people's minds. The culture needs to strongly change in regard to those first two points.



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04 Aug 2019, 10:19 am

EzraS wrote:
Here is the manifesto:

https://i.redd.it/awrzj6yt4ce31.jpg

He sounds like a Bernie/Warren Socialist, since he wants universal health care, UBI (universal basic income), pro-environment, and to stop immigrants from taking jobs.


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04 Aug 2019, 10:34 am

He said he blames both republicans and democrats. But since he managed to survive maybe he will elaborate more beyond what he called his "meh manifesto".



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04 Aug 2019, 11:27 am

He’s not a “Bernie-Warren socialist.”

He’s a nut, pure and simple. He killed people because of his paranoia. Because of his notion of an “Hispanic invasion.”

He actually has fairly conventional, nativist sorts of views. America-first, racist sorts of views.

Not too far from some idiots I know—though they wouldn’t murder people.

(I don’t mean any of you folks).



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04 Aug 2019, 11:29 am

Once again, a racism-motivated mass shooting in the US by a Trump supporter.
Once again, not a single solitary thing is done about it.
Except the Trump giving his "thoughts and prayers". PUKE!! !
Racist sexist orange turd needs to be flushed.

I hate the US and if the Trump gets re-elected I will kill myself.



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04 Aug 2019, 11:38 am

lostonearth35 wrote:
Once again, a racism-motivated mass shooting in the US by a Trump supporter.
Once again, not a single solitary thing is done about it.
Except the Trump giving his "thoughts and prayers". PUKE!! !
Racist sexist orange turd needs to be flushed.

I hate the US and if the Trump gets re-elected I will kill myself.

There isn't anything to do about it beyond what has already been done by arresting him. He's a super loner so I doubt anyone else is involved, though I'm sure that will be checked into.

Trump doesn't want people killing Mexicans or anyone else.

Trump is a solid favourite to win re-election right now imo, so I hope you'll be like all those celebs who said they'd move to Canada and not follow through.



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04 Aug 2019, 12:39 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:
He’s not a “Bernie-Warren socialist.”

He’s a nut, pure and simple. He killed people because of his paranoia. Because of his notion of an “Hispanic invasion.”

He actually has fairly conventional, nativist sorts of views. America-first, racist sorts of views.

Not too far from some idiots I know—though they wouldn’t murder people.

(I don’t mean any of you folks).

He blames Hispanics …

1. Taking jobs
2. Preventing UBI
3. Preventing Universal health care
4. His Socialist Utopia

Isn't this what NAZI (Socialists) preach? The foreigner is taking away your white entitlements?


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