06 Dec 2019, 7:31 am
cyberdad wrote:
Persephone29 wrote:
There were two things I always got from this case:
2. Trayvon Martin was up to no good.
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2. Trayvon Martin was up to no good.
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According to the police and prosecuters - The teen (Martin), was unarmed and wearing a hoodie, was returning from a store with Skittles and a drink.
Yep...add the fact he was black in an all white neighbourhood and you gotta agree he's really up to no good....
I actually agree with you (for once). It's like some people are assuming that he deserved to be killed because he was black and dressed like a young thug. Which I agree is BS. Just like it's BS that Zimmerman is suing the family of his victim.
However the media itself pretty much twisted the facts around to make this seem like another case of a racist white devil (who was not actually white) murdering a black kid as a way of saying "Look how evil white people are! This why you should vote Democrat!"
06 Dec 2019, 8:12 am
cyberdad wrote:
Persephone29 wrote:
There were two things I always got from this case:
2. Trayvon Martin was up to no good.
.
2. Trayvon Martin was up to no good.
.
According to the police and prosecuters - The teen (Martin), was unarmed and wearing a hoodie, was returning from a store with Skittles and a drink.
Yep...add the fact he was black in an all white neighbourhood and you gotta agree he's really up to no good....
According to the residents there had been breakins and a string of attempted breakins, which had them all on 'high alert.' Zimmerman was out of line by watching everyone and turning vigilante... talk about a set up to go to jail. I take everything out of my car, but if it got broken into I guess I'd see how much it would raise my premiums to file a claim, after filing a police report. I don't see the wisdom in taking a stand to leave things in my car, only to have someone see them and break my car window. I'm the loser. But, some people don't feel that way. They may even intentionally leave things, so they can watch and catch would be criminals. I think that's what Zimmerman was doing, I think he was lying in wait. But, they couldn't prove it. Unfortunately for Martin, he was guilty of looking suspicious in an area that had recent breakins. And, I also think he was up to no good.
No one ever seems to ask themselves if they would do the same thing, under the same circumstances. A young resident of the same complex knows there have been breakins. Why go wandering through the parking lot armed with a pack of skittles and a soda? Especially considering how afraid most blacks claim to be of cops, violence, etc... That's just not sound. People who are afraid don't go wandering at night, at least I don't.
06 Dec 2019, 8:17 am
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06 Dec 2019, 7:16 pm
cyberdad wrote:
Wolfram87 wrote:
There was also some evidence that Martin may have been involved with some of said break-ins (tools and a bag of unexplained women's jewelry) among his possessions.
Persephone29 wrote:
Why go wandering through the parking lot armed with a pack of skittles and a soda? Especially considering how afraid most blacks claim to be of cops, violence, etc... That's just not sound. People who are afraid don't go wandering at night, at least I don't.
Both your posts lack one vital thing....evidence! My understanding is that there was no evidence Trayvon Martin was carrying anything suspicious or he was involved in any criminal activity or acting suspicious when Zimmerman launched himself on the teen.
Walking in public while being black in a predominantly white/hispanic neighbourhood does not warrant vigilante action last time I checked.
If you have evidence to the contrary I am happy to be corrected..................
My point was not that it warranted vigilante justice, it was just that it wasn't very smart. There had been breakins, why draw suspicion? Especially when they believe just that, "being black in a white/hispanic" neighborhood... It's a self fulfilling prophecy.
Okay, I'm black. Let me go wandering around in a parking lot where there have been breakins, maybe ones they think I'm involved in. Then, let me get shot and killed for it and be shocked.
I know the neighborhoods to avoid. Believe it or not Cyberdad, there are places where walking while white in a predominantly black neighborhood will likely get me shot, assaulted, robbed, etc... That's why I don't do it. I do have a certain responsibility to my own safety, you know?
06 Dec 2019, 11:34 pm
Persephone29 wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
Wolfram87 wrote:
There was also some evidence that Martin may have been involved with some of said break-ins (tools and a bag of unexplained women's jewelry) among his possessions.
Persephone29 wrote:
Why go wandering through the parking lot armed with a pack of skittles and a soda? Especially considering how afraid most blacks claim to be of cops, violence, etc... That's just not sound. People who are afraid don't go wandering at night, at least I don't.
Both your posts lack one vital thing....evidence! My understanding is that there was no evidence Trayvon Martin was carrying anything suspicious or he was involved in any criminal activity or acting suspicious when Zimmerman launched himself on the teen.
Walking in public while being black in a predominantly white/hispanic neighbourhood does not warrant vigilante action last time I checked.
If you have evidence to the contrary I am happy to be corrected..................
My point was not that it warranted vigilante justice, it was just that it wasn't very smart. There had been breakins, why draw suspicion? Especially when they believe just that, "being black in a white/hispanic" neighborhood... It's a self fulfilling prophecy.
Okay, I'm black. Let me go wandering around in a parking lot where there have been breakins, maybe ones they think I'm involved in. Then, let me get shot and killed for it and be shocked.
I know the neighborhoods to avoid. Believe it or not Cyberdad, there are places where walking while white in a predominantly black neighborhood will likely get me shot, assaulted, robbed, etc... That's why I don't do it. I do have a certain responsibility to my own safety, you know?
Wow! so he living in in his father's fiancee's house in Miami Gardens and felt hungry so walked to the local corner shop to buy a drink and skittles?
I don't get it? what has he done wrong??
07 Dec 2019, 9:54 am
07 Dec 2019, 11:59 am
cyberdad wrote:
Persephone29 wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
Wolfram87 wrote:
There was also some evidence that Martin may have been involved with some of said break-ins (tools and a bag of unexplained women's jewelry) among his possessions.
Persephone29 wrote:
Why go wandering through the parking lot armed with a pack of skittles and a soda? Especially considering how afraid most blacks claim to be of cops, violence, etc... That's just not sound. People who are afraid don't go wandering at night, at least I don't.
Both your posts lack one vital thing....evidence! My understanding is that there was no evidence Trayvon Martin was carrying anything suspicious or he was involved in any criminal activity or acting suspicious when Zimmerman launched himself on the teen.
Walking in public while being black in a predominantly white/hispanic neighbourhood does not warrant vigilante action last time I checked.
If you have evidence to the contrary I am happy to be corrected..................
My point was not that it warranted vigilante justice, it was just that it wasn't very smart. There had been breakins, why draw suspicion? Especially when they believe just that, "being black in a white/hispanic" neighborhood... It's a self fulfilling prophecy.
Okay, I'm black. Let me go wandering around in a parking lot where there have been breakins, maybe ones they think I'm involved in. Then, let me get shot and killed for it and be shocked.
I know the neighborhoods to avoid. Believe it or not Cyberdad, there are places where walking while white in a predominantly black neighborhood will likely get me shot, assaulted, robbed, etc... That's why I don't do it. I do have a certain responsibility to my own safety, you know?
Wow! so he living in in his father's fiancee's house in Miami Gardens and felt hungry so walked to the local corner shop to buy a drink and skittles?
I don't get it? what has he done wrong??
You're doing it again, Cyberdad. I believe he was up to no good, but that's beside the point I'm trying to make here. What I am saying here is that if you believe that walking while black in a predominantly white/hispanic (your words) neighborhood is dangerous, why do it? Nothing on this earth would possess me to walk while white in a predominantly black/hispanic neighborhood for a pack of skittles. It's dumb, it's dangerous. He's 17, can't he drive? Did his step-mom who lived in the predominantly white/hispanic complex drive? Did she think it was dangerous...? It's Miami, why in the hell do you need a flash-light? I live in po-dunk, I don't need a flash light to walk around my block.
The problem is that you absolutely refuse to entertain the idea that we all must take some personal responsibility for our safety. My priest always said that a lot of bad happens in the dark. Why test his theory? The minor was suspended from school and allowed out wandering around late. Who thinks this is the proper way to look after a minor? I just called the cops on my granddaughter for getting the bright idea to walk out in broad daylight, without supervision. She's kinda brownish, but still. It's not safe for any minor.
07 Dec 2019, 1:43 pm
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07 Dec 2019, 7:10 pm
Persephone29 wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
Wolfram87 wrote:
There was also some evidence that Martin may have been involved with some of said break-ins (tools and a bag of unexplained women's jewelry) among his possessions.
Persephone29 wrote:
Why go wandering through the parking lot armed with a pack of skittles and a soda? Especially considering how afraid most blacks claim to be of cops, violence, etc... That's just not sound. People who are afraid don't go wandering at night, at least I don't.
Both your posts lack one vital thing....evidence! My understanding is that there was no evidence Trayvon Martin was carrying anything suspicious or he was involved in any criminal activity or acting suspicious when Zimmerman launched himself on the teen.
Walking in public while being black in a predominantly white/hispanic neighbourhood does not warrant vigilante action last time I checked.
If you have evidence to the contrary I am happy to be corrected..................
My point was not that it warranted vigilante justice, it was just that it wasn't very smart. There had been breakins, why draw suspicion? Especially when they believe just that, "being black in a white/hispanic" neighborhood... It's a self fulfilling prophecy.
Okay, I'm black. Let me go wandering around in a parking lot where there have been breakins, maybe ones they think I'm involved in. Then, let me get shot and killed for it and be shocked.
I know the neighborhoods to avoid. Believe it or not Cyberdad, there are places where walking while white in a predominantly black neighborhood will likely get me shot, assaulted, robbed, etc... That's why I don't do it. I do have a certain responsibility to my own safety, you know?
Refer to Krafties response...members of the public should be allowed to walk in public...Miami Gardens is a residential area, it's not the "hood"
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