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22 Dec 2019, 10:15 pm

Rainbow_Belle wrote:
15 year sentence for burning a flag!
The world has gone mad.
Burning a flag is not even a crime.
Only in the USA they hand out long sentences for petty things.
What's next... maybe hands chopped off for stealing or stoned to death for adultery?
Did you actually READ the first post?
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The 30 year old faces 15 years for a hate crime, 3rd degree harassment and being a habitual offender.
Not only is he a repeat offender, but he is only FACING 15 years - the post said nothing about the actual sentence.

Don't jump to conclusions.



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22 Dec 2019, 10:16 pm

Rainbow_Belle wrote:
15 year sentence for burning a flag!
The world has gone mad.
Burning a flag is not even a crime.
Only in the USA they hand out long sentences for petty things.
What's next... maybe hands chopped off for stealing or stoned to death for adultery?


Thailand issues rather harsh sentences. Some guy committed fraud and was sentenced to 15,000 years in prison.

The stuff you can get caned for in Singapore is hilarious. Most of the world is worried about climate change or terrorism, Singapore’s biggest fear is that someone will pee in an elevator.


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22 Dec 2019, 10:19 pm

Rainbow_Belle wrote:
15 year sentence for burning a flag!
The world has gone mad.
Burning a flag is not even a crime.
Only in the USA they hand out long sentences for petty things.
What's next... maybe hands chopped off for stealing or stoned to death for adultery?


Yes there was an incident where anti-racist protestors were burning Australian flags on Bondi beach near where you live back in 2015.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... tests.html

It is not illegal to burn the Australian flag. Two bills in 2003 and 2008 seeking to outlaw the practice failed to pass the senate.



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23 Dec 2019, 4:08 am

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Isn’t Iowa a red state?

Whether or not it is, I think the habitual offender status was the main factor in the sentence. Even then, 15 years is a lot for destroying property.
It's 50/50 as to whether the habitual offender or the hate crime aspect factored in most in this most harsh sentence.


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23 Dec 2019, 4:14 am

Fnord wrote:
Rainbow_Belle wrote:
15 year sentence for burning a flag!
The world has gone mad.
Burning a flag is not even a crime.
Only in the USA they hand out long sentences for petty things.
What's next... maybe hands chopped off for stealing or stoned to death for adultery?
Did you actually READ the first post?
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The 30 year old faces 15 years for a hate crime, 3rd degree harassment and being a habitual offender.
Not only is he a repeat offender, but he is only FACING 15 years - the post said nothing about the actual sentence.

Don't jump to conclusions.
The CNN article and my post used both the phrase "faces" and "was sentenced to".
Thats what the CNN article said,the writer made the article confusing in that way by using both terms.


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23 Dec 2019, 9:51 am

vermontsavant wrote:
The CNN article ...
Link, please?

All my data sources are giving mixed messages, too.  In any case, the perp is a repeat offender and a religious nutter who claims that it is an honor to be guilty of his crimes (e.g., arson in the 3rd degree in violation of individual rights, harassment in the 3rd degree, and reckless use of fire or explosives).  No wonder the prosecuting attorney believes him to be dangerous and recommended the maximum sentence.  I would, too.

Look at the case in its entirety, and any reasonable person would reach the same conclusion.



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23 Dec 2019, 10:05 am

Fnord wrote:
vermontsavant wrote:
The CNN article ...
Link, please?
I have the article on my phone right now.It says:A man has been sentenced to 15 years in prison for burning a LGBTQ flag.

Then it later says:The 30 year old faces about 15 years after being found guilty of arson in the 3rd degree,violation of individual rights,harassment in the third degree and reckless use of fire or explosives.

The article contricts in it's language of "faces" verses "has been sentenced"

But the point is I wouldn't call burning a flag arson,arson is more burning a building or a structure,to burn a flag in protest is an American right,so long as you don't tresspass and steal a flag,which is what this guy did.

But the article contradicted itself not me.I don't have a link but CNN has the article or google it.


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23 Dec 2019, 10:07 am

I hate ambiguous journalism, and long for a return the day day of honest and accurate reporting. I guess that's too much to ask from CNN.

If you can access the article then you have the link. The procedure is simple. Try it sometime.



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23 Dec 2019, 10:17 am

Fnord wrote:
I hate ambiguous journalism, and long for a return the day day of honest and accurate reporting. I guess that's too much to ask from CNN.

If you can access the article then you have the link. The procedure is simple. Try it sometime.
I have never found that simple,I also would like to note that CNN updated the original article and some language has changed,the first article didn't mention arson as a charge and the second article on cnn does not mention hate crime.The first article was copied by me how it was originally written.


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