Biden on Blacks

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The dominant demographic by far is the descendants of slaves, who have had the culture of their ancestors torn away from them, and more recent immigrants (either from Africa or non-African countries) aren’t particularly distinguishable in the same way that Cubans, Mexicans and Puerto Ricans are.


Did you really just say that? The black people in San Antonio Texas are markedly different from the Dallas snobs. It is interesting that you seem to think that black people from Haiti are a lot like people from, say, Morocco.

Have you ever been to the United States?

People from Morocco (or at least Morocco's dominant ethnic groups) aren't officially considered black in the US. In fact they're considered white, which in a way is a reflection of their political insignificance.

I have been to the United States twice, not that it's particularly relevant. Generally I find people raising the "you're not American" line end up embarrassing themselves in short order.

Everything else in your post was addressed in my previous post. From a political standpoint, there is a fraction of the diversity in the African American community that there is in the Latino-American community. You can't point to, say, Ghanaian-Americans as a distinct voting bloc in the way you can for Cuban Americans, because there is no significant Ghanaian-American identity, there is no shared Ghanaian-American experience. On the other hand, Mexican-Americans, Cuban-Americans, and Puerto Ricans all have very different shared experiences which materially influence the way that the groups, as a whole, vote and behave.

Of course there are regional identities in America - Southern, Midwestern, etc. But African Americans broadly vote the same way whether they live in the Deep South or New England. There are, of course, exceptions. But "African American" is a genuine identity that predicts political behaviour in a way that "Latino" does not. Likewise, while white Americans have ethnic identities that often go ludicrously specific, these don't substantially affect politics because the experience of being German-American is almost the same as being Irish-American or Italian-American in the 21st century.

1. I think you are changing what Biden said in order to defend him. He seemed to be talking about diversity in a more broad sense than mere politics.

2. Accusing me of trying to conjure "crocodile tears" was pretty immoderate coming from a...moderator?

What about Muslim African-Americans ? Or Somali-Americans... etc?

All due respect, you ignored where he said “with exceptions” and the context of the remark which was in response to a question about relations with Cuba, where he specifically said Floridian Hispanics have different attitudes on immigration to Arizonan Latinos.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0fqmcA7FwaQ

In context it is clear exactly what he meant.

There are about 100,000 Somalis in all of America. There are about 23 times as many Cubans and they’re concentrated in Florida. There are two million Dominicans, 5.8m stateside Puerto Ricans, 2.2m Salvadoreans, 1.2m Colombians, and 37m Mexican-Americans.

Somalis are a drop in the ocean compared to the broader African-American community. I do not believe there is much political science examining them but they’re not nearly as influential a demographic.

Indeed, add up all African immigrants to the USA (mostly from black groups) and you get about as many as Salvadoreans spread across 57 different countries (including Spain and France’s African territories and the Western Sahara). There are about 45m black Americans. Immigrant groups are dwarfed by the native culture, whereas Mexican-Americans are less than 60% of all Latinos in the lower 48.

While Biden definitely has foot-in-mouth disease, he's still light years better than Trump. And he's going to be far better for blacks than Trump is.

One of the most controversial criminal justice issues in the 2020 Democratic primary is a “tough on crime” law passed 25 years ago — and authored by current poll frontrunner Joe Biden.
If you ask some criminal justice reform activists, the 1994 crime law passed by Congress and signed by President Bill Clinton, which was meant to reverse decades of rising crime, was one of the key contributors to mass incarceration in the 1990s. They say it led to more prison sentences, more prison cells, and more aggressive policing — especially hurting black and brown Americans, who are disproportionately likely to be incarcerated.

Got Biden the same help and money as the Clinton Foundation from Saudi Arabia?
Trump may be an idiot but at least he's not just a hooker and bright enough not to mess around with Russia. And he didn't start any new wars until now ...

To quote Luke Skywalker: "Amazing! Everything you said is wrong."
Trump has been embroiled with Russia from the start, and American intelligence verifies they are still trying to keep him in power (which Trump is trying to suppress).
The Clinton Foundation has been demonized by the right without evidence. All the while, Trump had been defrauding his own charity for children with cancer. There's a special place in Hell for people like him.

New emails show Clinton Foundation staff pushed Hillary Clinton's State Department to approve a meeting between Bill Clinton and a powerful Russian oligarch as her agency lined up investors for a project under his purview.

The Clintons' relationship with Viktor Vekselberg, the billionaire whose name appears in the documents, has taken on new significance amid an expanding criminal investigation into his company. Last week, authorities raided the offices of Vekselberg's firm, Renova Group, following allegations of bribery from several of Renova's subsidiaries.
Vekselberg had been named head of a partnership dubbed the "Russian Silicon Valley" just three months before a Clinton Foundation employee began pushing the State Department to approve Bill Clinton's proposed meeting with Vekselberg and a handful of other Russian executives.

In addition, a Russian investment bank with ties to the Kremlin and which was promoting Uranium One stock paid Bill Clinton $500,000 for a speech in Moscow ...


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clinton_Foundation–State_Department_controversy

^^^
Anyone who can refute this? This is something I'm not specifically up on.
If the Clintons are corrupt, that wouldn't surprise me, even though I'm certain it's been exaggerated. That said, the Trump clan has everyone else beat when it comes to graft.

The Uranium One deal happened. 25% of US uranium mining rights to Russian companies (or a single company, I don’t remember). These big state officials will travel around and do speeches that they get paid for. Some people noticed that a speech would tend to happen after a policy or deal like that was made and they are saying that the speech fee was payment for the deal, not the speech itself. The whole thing is supposedly being investigated now. We probably won’t hear the result for some time.

Back to the original topic though. There are scores of people studying Black American culture. You can argue all day and night about how prevalent it is or even if it exists at all. It’s too nuanced to come to a consensus.

It has gotten hard to keep track of all the gaffes, not just from Joe Biden. Imagine what the history books will look like in 50 years.

There was nothing illegal about the Uranium deal. The notion that there was is entirely the product of Republican fevered imaginings.