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11 Jan 2021, 9:32 pm

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Going after the individual cops involved is one thing, but someone needs to look at their superiors / the general culture within the police. Because if these cops thought that what they were doing was OK and did not believe they would lose their jobs over it - what does that say about the prevailing culture within their organisation?


It doesn't look good, but like I always say, don't jump to conclusions.
Get all the facts.



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11 Jan 2021, 9:34 pm

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Some of the Capitol Police had to be in on this thing.....


Witnesses saw cops "courteously" opening doors for the protesters as they were leaving, They were curiously amenable.


Would you rather keep the protestors in?



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11 Jan 2021, 9:36 pm

Frankly, the Capitol Police shouldn't have been as "courteous" to the protestors as they were......



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11 Jan 2021, 9:36 pm

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Coup at the capitol, I mean.

Even a layman like me questioned their involvement live in the moment.. like, uh, they’re not even trying to stop people.

International experts agree:

https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-a ... ice-2021-1

I suspect that the cop that killed himself couldn’t live with the guilt of having been involved in such a stupid plot for insane reasons. Maybe not - but I bet that’s why he offer himself. Didn’t wanna face the music.


It sounds like the article was "Feeding the Cooks", to make money.
I can't take what happened at Capitol Hill as a serious attempt at a coup.
All it could have done was to postpone the ratification of the new President.

Also, I thought the government security agencies were *anti-trump*, based on revelations of what happened with "russia-gate" .

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Merit indeed. Cops all over the country are being investigated for their participation:

https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/11/politics ... index.html

All the guilty ones should be jailed.

And half a dozen innocent ones, also. [joke] :mrgreen:


So coups are only real if they are successful?

And government official could not have been held hostage or killed?

I am just going to imagine you are trolling again. It is too scary that you might actually be serious.



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11 Jan 2021, 9:39 pm

Pepe wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
kraftiekortie wrote:
Some of the Capitol Police had to be in on this thing.....


Witnesses saw cops "courteously" opening doors for the protesters as they were leaving, They were curiously amenable.


Would you rather keep the protestors in?


Would prefer they do their job and drag them to jail



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11 Jan 2021, 9:40 pm

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Of course you have to go after their superiors!

It's like going after the drug addicts, the drug dealers, the druglords.


So, you are saying the matter has been completely settled like the guy who helped the black women?

First, he was a good samaritan.
Then he was a villain.
And then it was determined he actually *was* a good samaritan.

I am not saying there isn't corruption here.
I am making the observation that people constantly jump to conclusions. 8)



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11 Jan 2021, 9:41 pm

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I can't take what happened at Capitol Hill as a serious attempt at a coup.
All it could have done was to postpone the ratification of the new President.


Pepe is misinformed, this was an attack on proceedings in a formality, you can't postpone an inevitability. A lot of authoritarians are all for Trump but even still most of them know better than this.

Pepe doesn't take it seriously when someone tries to assassinate our officials with pipe bombs then.

This isn't trolling, it's fascism. He is relying on misdirection in a failed bid to sell us on the 'merits' of a brutal authoritarian regime.


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11 Jan 2021, 9:43 pm

Pepe wrote:
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First, he was a good samaritan.
Then he was a villain.
And then it was determined he actually *was* a good samaritan.


His employer classified him as a villain in the end.



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11 Jan 2021, 9:43 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:
Frankly, the Capitol Police shouldn't have been as "courteous" to the protestors as they were......


Didn't you see the videos of the police and protestors being crushed together?
With one officer crying out for help because he was being crushed?
That didn't look particularly amenable.



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11 Jan 2021, 9:46 pm

cyberdad wrote:
Pepe wrote:
kraftiekortie wrote:
First, he was a good samaritan.
Then he was a villain.
And then it was determined he actually *was* a good samaritan.


His employer classified him as a villain in the end.


But he wasn't a villain because he helped a black woman.
Someone said he got fired because he was with the group of protesters.
Two different contexts.



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11 Jan 2021, 9:57 pm

Jiheisho wrote:
Pepe wrote:
goldfish21 wrote:
Coup at the capitol, I mean.

Even a layman like me questioned their involvement live in the moment.. like, uh, they’re not even trying to stop people.

International experts agree:

https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-a ... ice-2021-1

I suspect that the cop that killed himself couldn’t live with the guilt of having been involved in such a stupid plot for insane reasons. Maybe not - but I bet that’s why he offer himself. Didn’t wanna face the music.


It sounds like the article was "Feeding the Cooks", to make money.
I can't take what happened at Capitol Hill as a serious attempt at a coup.
All it could have done was to postpone the ratification of the new President.

Also, I thought the government security agencies were *anti-trump*, based on revelations of what happened with "russia-gate" .

goldfish21 wrote:
Merit indeed. Cops all over the country are being investigated for their participation:

https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/11/politics ... index.html

All the guilty ones should be jailed.

And half a dozen innocent ones, also. [joke] :mrgreen:


So coups are only real if they are successful?

And government official could not have been held hostage or killed?

I am just going to imagine you are trolling again. It is too scary that you might actually be serious.


I might have to nick-name you "Sloppy Joe".

Yes, "coups are only real if they are successful".
If the coup doesn't succeed, it is actually an *attempted* coup.

*Was* a government official held hostage or killed?
I don't think this was the case, so what you have said is self-evidently unrealised supposition.
In *my* dimension, "reality" is real.

Calling someone a troll is a personal attack.
Noted.

Your assumption that you have the only access to reality is simply an assumption, btw.

I would be scared, too, if I was in your position.
You have met your intellectual match, after all. 8)



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11 Jan 2021, 9:57 pm

Simply not letting your angry mob kill somebody isn't a qualifier for not being part of said mob.


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11 Jan 2021, 10:03 pm

Pepe wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
Pepe wrote:
kraftiekortie wrote:
First, he was a good samaritan.
Then he was a villain.
And then it was determined he actually *was* a good samaritan.


His employer classified him as a villain in the end.


But he wasn't a villain because he helped a black woman.
Someone said he got fired because he was with the group of protesters.
Two different contexts.


You are correct but my point was at the end of the day he made a bad choice which cost him his job



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11 Jan 2021, 10:19 pm

Some of the Insurrectionists were really nasty.

Urine and feces were dropped near the offices of the Congresspeople.

Some of those people were really sick!

They shouldn’t have been allowed within 1,000 feet of the Capitol.

Nobody is allowed within about 1,000 feet of the White House.



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11 Jan 2021, 10:21 pm

cyberdad wrote:
Pepe wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
Pepe wrote:
kraftiekortie wrote:
First, he was a good samaritan.
Then he was a villain.
And then it was determined he actually *was* a good samaritan.


His employer classified him as a villain in the end.


But he wasn't a villain because he helped a black woman.
Someone said he got fired because he was with the group of protesters.
Two different contexts.


You are correct but my point was at the end of the day he made a bad choice which cost him his job


[manhug cyberdude]

What was the bad choice he made?
Protesting is legal, in America.

What was the full story about the protest itself?
Someone said it was a KKK rally?
Is this correct?



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11 Jan 2021, 10:24 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:
Some of the Insurrectionists were really nasty.

Urine and feces were dropped near the offices of the Congresspeople.

Some of those people were really sick!

They shouldn’t have been allowed within 1,000 feet of the Capitol.

Nobody is allowed within about 1,000 feet of the White House.


When the rioters are charged, it will be interesting to see if they are actually charged with "Insurrection".
Time will tell. 8)