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04 Jul 2021, 3:49 pm

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The people that attend those churches today didn’t commit the crimes.
Churches used to burn across the South.
It’s never a good thing.
What if homeless were sheltering inside?
What if they caught other structures on fire?
Go after the church another way, financially.That would hurt them more.

There's a big difference between when churches burned in the south and this.
For starters, those were black churches being burned by white supremacist terrorists.

This is people within a community turning on their own churches due to rage over the abuse those churches either inflicted or enabled or turned a blind eye to.
Please don't impose flawed analogies on this situation because the comparison is misinformed.

When buildings burn people die inside.Is that ok with you?Arson is never the answer and it’s still fueled by hate.It’s also stupid to set fires right now, they could burn down a whole community.
So would it be ok to drag the priest out and murder him even though he wasn’t around when it happened?
Violence is never the answer, taking legal action is.

I've already condemned the arsons, so your whole emotional response was unwarranted.

Arson is bad, but arson isn't inherently murderous so why the tangent about murdering priests? Hysterics and misinformed analogies aren't a good basis for reasonable discussion.

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04 Jul 2021, 3:56 pm

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I wasn’t emotional, why would you think that?Assumption.Hysterics my a$$.Do you think I was jumping up and down screaming?I was eating a veggie burger not frothing at the mouth.
The part about the preist was to state that people living today are not responsible or should be blamed for crimes in the past.
Yeah arson kills innocent people.
https://www.atf.gov/file/109596/download

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04 Jul 2021, 4:12 pm

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Did I say arson lacks the potential to kill people or did I just say it doesn't always and doesn't inherently?
A building can burn down without being dying, just like what has occurred in all of these incidents.

Let's keep it in perspective what actually occurred instead of bringing up worst-case scenarios or unrelated incidents of arson.

You make it sound like the goal was to kill people as though they couldn't have possibly figured out when their local church was empty.

Yes, it's possible that if they failed to confirm the building was empty that things could have been worse, but we have no reason to assume that murder was their goal and repeatedly bringing up murder when there's no reason to suggest that was the goal undermines whatever point you're attempting to make.

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04 Jul 2021, 4:14 pm

@FXE and @Misslizard please stop feuding! Let's admit there's some misunderstanding due to cultural differences and just move on.

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04 Jul 2021, 4:23 pm

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I never said they intended to murder, where did you get that?Arson is a crime of passion and I doubt they walked all through the church and checked to see if it was clear or cared if anyone was inside.
You sue the church, not burn it.No chance of anyone dying inside or other structures burning.That was my point.

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04 Jul 2021, 4:26 pm

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@FXE and @Misslizard please stop feuding! Let's admit there's some misunderstanding due to cultural differences and just move on.

It's personal. I have loved ones who were placed in very similar schools in Quebec, some of whom aren't accounted for. Maybe they just assimilated and lost touch, maybe they're waiting to be found on campus. The wound is tender again because the scab just got torn off again and it's frustrating to see a complex issue oversimplified and exaggerated.

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04 Jul 2021, 4:30 pm

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You're welcome to doubt it but you have no insight to base that assumption on.

We agree that arson isn't something that can be condoned, I'm just saying they probably didn't intend on killing anyone and to suggest otherwise without anything to base it on isn't reasonable.

Burning it down accomplishes nothing but maybe catharsis, it doesn't actually help in any meaningful way but when people don't have trust in the justice system they tend to pursue justice by other means. It's still not right but if we could trust that we'd receive equal treatment by the courts then these responses wouldn't ever occur.

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04 Jul 2021, 4:57 pm

/\Some people in this area hold a grudge against LDS for the Mountain Meadows Massacre.So they planted a bomb in the local LDS church several years ago.Luckily it didn’t go off.
It wouldn’t have made things right or brought the dead back and the people in that church had nothing to do with the massacre.It’s not just Black churches that get targeted.
I didn’t approve of arson during the riots.People then assume it’s all about violence and not about trying to right what’s wrong with the system.
You also can’t prove they were considerate arsonists and went room to room looking for people.We’re not talking about an organization like ELF.
What was the role of those churches in the community now? Did they provide day care? A food pantry for low income?A soup kitchen? All that’s gone now.
Firemen have enough to do putting out accidental fires, they shouldn’t have to risk their lives putting out intentional ones.
These were not Catholic and had nothing to do with the graves.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbc.ca/amp/1.6088601

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04 Jul 2021, 5:27 pm

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These were not Catholic and had nothing to do with the graves.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbc.ca/amp/1.6088601

The Anglican Church also operated residential schools that behaved exactly the same way as the ones ran by the Catholic Church. There's other denominations that had involvement too. It wasn't only Catholics who contributed to cultural genocide against indigenous Canadians.

If you'd like to comment on this issue you should educate yourself enough to know the basics.

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04 Jul 2021, 5:38 pm

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These were not Catholic and had nothing to do with the graves.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbc.ca/amp/1.6088601

I didn’t say they didn’t have residential schools, I said these churches weren’t located by the mass graves.

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04 Jul 2021, 5:59 pm

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@FXE and @Misslizard please stop feuding! Let's admit there's some misunderstanding due to cultural differences and just move on.

It's clear neither of you understands where the other is coming from. I respect you both, could you please take this elsewhere?

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04 Jul 2021, 6:12 pm

/\I’m not mad at him.I just don’t see how burning a building down solves anything.It just put lives at risk and makes the people that did use those churches now sad.

The church should make reparations.It was a horrible thing they did, no one disagrees about that.

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04 Jul 2021, 7:28 pm

Misslizard wrote:

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These were not Catholic and had nothing to do with the graves.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbc.ca/amp/1.6088601

I didn’t say they didn’t have residential schools, I said these churches weren’t located by the mass graves.

And I'm saying that's irrelevant, they're still affiliated with groups that ran residential schools. The fact that right now we're focused on bodies being found at Catholic operated ones doesn't mean that similar abuses didn't occur at ones operated by other sects.

This story being in the news doesn't only cause people who went to Catholic residential schools to re-experience trauma. It impacts everyone who's been impacted by Canada's legacy of cultural genocide.

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04 Jul 2021, 7:30 pm

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@FXE and @Misslizard please stop feuding! Let's admit there's some misunderstanding due to cultural differences and just move on.

It's clear neither of you understands where the other is coming from. I respect you both, could you please take this elsewhere?

Cut the tone-police nonsense out. Unless you've got relatives who survived this you don't have anything to add to the conversation.

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04 Jul 2021, 8:47 pm

funeralxempire wrote:

Misslizard wrote:

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These were not Catholic and had nothing to do with the graves.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbc.ca/amp/1.6088601

I didn’t say they didn’t have residential schools, I said these churches weren’t located by the mass graves.

None of those type places were good.It happened in the US also , I read the story of a Ute boy and how he had his hair cut, his language and religion taken from him.It happened in Australia .It’s happening right now in China to the Uyghur people and it’s always bad for native when the colonists arrive.
I don’t like burning structures because the Ozarks has a history of people being burned out,make the wrong person mad and your home goes up.All volunteer rural fire departments so they won’t get there in time to save anything.
Our local community building where we vote, have gatherings , and sometimes religious activities was burned down several years back.A neighbors only child was killed by a drunk driver and she was very involved in getting justice.He got mad and burned the building because her family had a lot to do with managing it.He did go to jail and it’s rebuilt now.
When Department of the Interior seized land here for the National River people got upset and set fire to the ranger houses and several old historic buildings in the park and even the woods.It didn’t stop the park from taking homes and land but it did endanger people’s lives that had to fight the fires to keep them from spreading.
I knows it’s nothing in comparison to what those children went through ,but that’s why I don’t like arson.

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04 Jul 2021, 9:39 pm

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https://www.citynews1130.com/2021/06/26/catholic-churches-fire-southern-bc/

Good start! Keep going, imo.

I concur!

The catholic cult gets away with enough abuse and atrocities, as it is.

I hope this becomes a trend; that's something I can stand by.

Not to mention the blood they have on their hands historically is atrocious.

Let a few wooden boxes burn. Big deal.

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