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10 Aug 2007, 10:48 pm

The CIA has a very poor track record of assasinating heads of state covertly. Look at Fidel Castro.


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10 Aug 2007, 10:55 pm

Calling the Tuskeegee Airmen "cannon fodder" is incredibly insulting to one of the best American
air units of World War II. The 332nd record as escort fighter group is unmatched. The men in 332nd volunteered for that duty, they were heroes to black americans then and now. Bomber groups would actually request them because they knew the 332nd brought their escortees home alive.



btw: World War II was NOT a morally ambiguous war



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10 Aug 2007, 10:59 pm

They did succeed with assassinating one of their own though; look at Kennedy. Or is the jury still out on that. No way could Oswald have done it on his own; guy couldn't hit the broad side of a barn. Red Dwarf has an interesting slant, though; Kennedy was badgeman, who killed himself from the grassy knoll.....


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10 Aug 2007, 11:01 pm

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*snorts* When will the US learn that quality not quantity counts in wars. They so need to give their current soldiers proper training, part of the mess is the style the American army presents itself in Iraq. If they were trained, like the british, in some form of diplomacy, half the attacks on their soldiers would not happen. I doubt this draft will actually happen though, its too politically unacceptable.


I hope not. And you're right, the Americans seem to think it's quantity over quality. There's American shooting, and then there is British shooting. Americans spray bullets all over the place hoping to hit a target. Brits take a little longer, but it's a couple of shots, and no more. And the British probably have more diplomacy. I'll bet the Aussies over there are making friends too, instead of barking for jumps.


Uh huh. I'm sure you have first-hand experience in combat with American forces, and are qualified to make those generalizations. Or it was just something you heard, and decided to pass it on. :roll:


My grandfather had no shortage of stories about how he and his men felt that the Americans were often more dangerous than the Germans, particularly at night. US troops apparently had a habit of firing at anything that moved at night and that didn't respond quickly enough to their challenges. Though in his opinion, this was due mostly to the fact that the US army was the only one in theatre that had a nearly unlimited supply of ammunition.



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10 Aug 2007, 11:15 pm

Yes, granted they were heroes and achieved something in that regard, but they were considered cannon-fodder by the mostly white Armed Forces in America, who wouldn't serve with them and forced them to form their own battalion. I thought they were harshly done by when I saw the movie, and thought the attitude of the government and the Armed Forces of the time absolutely stank to high heaven. Those guys were just as entitled to fight alongside any of their countrymen as any others, but because of prejudice, they were treated like shite. Now, our record with aborigines isn't good either, but I doubt whether we would have treated them that bad.

Bet not many American Indians have been afforded the same 'luxury'.


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10 Aug 2007, 11:19 pm

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They did succeed with assassinating one of their own though; look at Kennedy. Or is the jury still out on that. No way could Oswald have done it on his own; guy couldn't hit the broad side of a barn. Red Dwarf has an interesting slant, though; Kennedy was badgeman, who killed himself from the grassy knoll.....


I hope you're not serious.. Oswald was a marine. He scored 212, 2 points above the score necessary to qualify as a "sharpshooter" on a marksman/sharpshooter/expert scale."

Have you ever been to the scene? The shot is incredibly easy.


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10 Aug 2007, 11:22 pm

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Yeah, that's right the 2002 one with 88 killed and the one after that. Also funny is the thing that if Bush senior had done the job properly in the early 90s, Junior wouldn't have had to go in in '03. All they needed was a CIA agent to go in disguised as an Iraqi national, pose as a cameraman for Al Jazeera and hide a high powered rifle in the telephoto lens of his camera (the CIA have such devices, surely). All he would have had to do is get one shot off while Saddam was in a crowd and BANG, no more trouble and no reason to fight the latest conflict. Unfortunately for a lot of soldiers (US and others) nobody thought of it, and the war went ahead. Who knows, maybe the Cole might not have been bombed, and the WTC might still be standing, but we will never know, will we...

Maybe Junior could explain, but whether it'll be intelligible will be anyone's guess.


What?! So now Saddam was responsible for the Cole and 911? Saddam was not a threat. Bush Sr played it right. We had a UN mandate only to repel the invading forces from Kuwait. Occupying Iraq would have been a disaster, and we would have lost our coalition. Saddam was contained.


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10 Aug 2007, 11:27 pm

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They did succeed with assassinating one of their own though; look at Kennedy. Or is the jury still out on that. No way could Oswald have done it on his own; guy couldn't hit the broad side of a barn. Red Dwarf has an interesting slant, though; Kennedy was badgeman, who killed himself from the grassy knoll.....


I hope you're not serious.. Oswald was a marine. He scored 212, 2 points above the score necessary to qualify as a "sharpshooter" on a marksman/sharpshooter/expert scale."

Have you ever been to the scene? The shot is incredibly easy.


Yeah, Tikka to Ride. Great show, good episode of Red Dwarf. But wiggerbeater is right. The only reason why the CIA has been attributed to killing off JFK is because we can't believe the simple fact that even the great and the good are vulnerable to a nut with a gun. Oswald was crap, but by the standards of the Marines. That doesn't mean he couldn't, or didn't, do it.


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10 Aug 2007, 11:28 pm

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What?! So now Saddam was responsible for the Cole and 911? Saddam was not a threat. Bush Sr played it right. We had a UN mandate only to repel the invading forces from Kuwait. Occupying Iraq would have been a disaster, and we would have lost our coalition. Saddam was contained.


Saddam was a threat. However, the magnitude of such a threat has been grossly exaggerated. Diplomacy was still a viable option. You do not remove cancer with a gun, do you?

I mean that he should've fallen, but not in a war with Iraq or through assasination. He would've been martyred otherwise.


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10 Aug 2007, 11:29 pm

Quatermass wrote:
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They did succeed with assassinating one of their own though; look at Kennedy. Or is the jury still out on that. No way could Oswald have done it on his own; guy couldn't hit the broad side of a barn. Red Dwarf has an interesting slant, though; Kennedy was badgeman, who killed himself from the grassy knoll.....


I hope you're not serious.. Oswald was a marine. He scored 212, 2 points above the score necessary to qualify as a "sharpshooter" on a marksman/sharpshooter/expert scale."

Have you ever been to the scene? The shot is incredibly easy.


Yeah, Tikka to Ride. Great show, good episode of Red Dwarf. But wiggerbeater is right. The only reason why the CIA has been attributed to killing off JFK is because we can't believe the simple fact that even the great and the good are vulnerable to a nut with a gun. Oswald was crap, but by the standards of the Marines. That doesn't mean he couldn't, or didn't, do it.


Exactly. Nobody wants to believe than a nobody like Oswald could erase somebody like Kennedy.
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10 Aug 2007, 11:30 pm

The arguments in A Question of Evidence was all I needed. Brief, but convincing.


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10 Aug 2007, 11:56 pm

So what?

Total draft immunity because:

1. Rich family - if push comes to shove we could bribe the officer. I've yet to meet a government offical who wouldn't succumb to a bribe. Thank goodness America has a corruption ridden government.

2. Back surgery - Undraftable due to fused spinal cord.


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11 Aug 2007, 12:07 am

Anyway, I'm glad I'm too old for conscription if it were brought back here, and that even if I were young enough, I'd get out as being physically unfit (I don't think they take legally blind people, do they :wink: )

Besides, even if I were young enough AND fit enough, I'd refuse to go because of my pagan beliefs. Don't believe in pointless wars when something more readily should be done.


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11 Aug 2007, 1:27 am

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http://www.bigpond.com/news/breaking/content/20070811/2002469.asp

Glad I don't live in the US.

What: the sky is falling....again??? :roll:



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11 Aug 2007, 1:33 am

so if large numbers of asylum seekers turn up on one's shore, claiming their lives are in danger, what does a country do?

just admit unlimited numbers of alleged asylum seekers or go to war?



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11 Aug 2007, 1:56 am

I would be willing to bet a large sum of money that there won't be a draft in the USA within the next 5 years. The Republicans don't want to vote for it because they already know that they are doomed in 2008. The Democrats don't want to vote for it (Rangel excepted, perhaps) because they know that they will win hugely in 2008, and there's no good reason to screw this up for the sake of a war they don't even want.

Frankly, I see a new draft in the USA as being much less likely than the sudden creation of single payer health insurance, or nationwide gay marriage. It's just not going to happen.

Unless of course you believe that most members of congress and the senate have no instinct for self-preservation. LOL