25 Feb 2023, 8:35 pm
25 Feb 2023, 8:38 pm
25 Feb 2023, 8:55 pm
cyberdad wrote:
Pepe wrote:
The Albanese government is fully behind supporting Ukraine.
I think you missed this little fact.
"Confirmation Bias" strikes again, or so it seems.
:
I think you missed this little fact.
"Confirmation Bias" strikes again, or so it seems.
:
Normally Dutton takes a contrarian view against Albanese but not on this. He hates communism so naturally he's anti-Russian.
Since when has Dutton cared about violations of human rights? only two times he's cried about human rights are for white south africans and Ukrainians.
But for me this has nothing to do with politics. It's about paying the price to fund a covert war against Putin.
The bottom line is, Australia is supporting Ukraine ($512,000,000) and counting.
Hooah!
Glory to the Labor Party...
Glory to Ukraine...
25 Feb 2023, 8:58 pm
funeralxempire wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
Pepe wrote:
The Albanese government is fully behind supporting Ukraine.
I think you missed this little fact.
"Confirmation Bias" strikes again, or so it seems.
:
I think you missed this little fact.
"Confirmation Bias" strikes again, or so it seems.
:
Normally Dutton takes a contrarian view against Albanese but not on this. He hates communism so naturally he's anti-Russian.
Since when has Dutton cared about violations of human rights? only two times he's cried about human rights are for white south africans and Ukrainians.
But for me this has nothing to do with politics. It's about paying the price to fund a covert war against Putin.
Communism and anti-communism aren't relevant to this conflict, except for old anti-NATO types who used to be against imperialism until Russia was doing it.
It's largely the establishment-leaning types who support Ukraine whether they identify as conservative or liberal; it's largely the anti-liberal right and tankies who support Russia.
If well, the US also invaded a sovereign nation is the best argument they have to support Russia they have no argument at all; anything that tries to use a sphere of influence as an argument is just admitting to supporting imperialism.
As mentioned, it is the hard left-wing government of Australia that is in support of Ukraine.
I find that "interesting".
25 Feb 2023, 9:03 pm
Persephone29 wrote:
I don't want for Ukraine to lose. But I cannot discount the effects felt by the everyday person just trying to survive and experiencing a difficult time doing so. This level of funding by the US is unsustainable. 30 + Million, Pshhhht. When you're on the hook for what is now roughly 115 Billion, come talk Pepe.
Well, yes, I can afford my position in barracking for Ukraine.
But Australians are being hit also by the cost of living increases.
cyberdad isn't in as good a position, based on what he has said.
Bottom line:
The sooner pootin is beaten back into his box, the better for everyone.
I am not a fan of torture, rape, deportation, and murder.
Not many are.
25 Feb 2023, 9:06 pm
cyberdad wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
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It's largely the establishment-leaning types who support Ukraine whether they identify as conservative or liberal; it's largely the anti-liberal right and tankies who support Russia.
It's largely the establishment-leaning types who support Ukraine whether they identify as conservative or liberal; it's largely the anti-liberal right and tankies who support Russia.
As I said, this has nothing to do with politics. I don't want to pay and not have money left to eat, keep my home or stay warm in winter so that NATO can bail out a corrupt state like Ukraine. The propaganda around this makes manufactured consent around the Afghanistan and Iraq war look like highschool projects.
Go, team pootin!
25 Feb 2023, 9:12 pm
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25 Feb 2023, 9:13 pm
Pepe wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
Pepe wrote:
The Albanese government is fully behind supporting Ukraine.
I think you missed this little fact.
"Confirmation Bias" strikes again, or so it seems.
:
I think you missed this little fact.
"Confirmation Bias" strikes again, or so it seems.
:
Normally Dutton takes a contrarian view against Albanese but not on this. He hates communism so naturally he's anti-Russian.
Since when has Dutton cared about violations of human rights? only two times he's cried about human rights are for white south africans and Ukrainians.
But for me this has nothing to do with politics. It's about paying the price to fund a covert war against Putin.
Communism and anti-communism aren't relevant to this conflict, except for old anti-NATO types who used to be against imperialism until Russia was doing it.
It's largely the establishment-leaning types who support Ukraine whether they identify as conservative or liberal; it's largely the anti-liberal right and tankies who support Russia.
If well, the US also invaded a sovereign nation is the best argument they have to support Russia they have no argument at all; anything that tries to use a sphere of influence as an argument is just admitting to supporting imperialism.
As mentioned, it is the hard left-wing government of Australia that is in support of Ukraine.
I find that "interesting".
Since when were social democrats "hard left"? Last I checked Labor were a run-of-the-mill centre-left party. Social democrats are establishment politicians at the end of the day. They support reform through institutions and they believe in participating in the current global order.
Support for Ukraine is a reflection of their support for establishment institutions, they view Ukraine as seeking to join this order. They support Ukraine because they view Ukraine's fight as one of liberal democracy vs. Russia's autocracy.
This stands in stark contract to many of the folks on the right who oppose supporting Ukraine either because they're "in Russia's sphere of influence" or because they view Ukraine becoming more integrated with the liberal world as a negative thing.
Social democrats are not "hard" or "far" or "radical" anything.
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25 Feb 2023, 9:19 pm
25 Feb 2023, 9:29 pm
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25 Feb 2023, 9:42 pm
25 Feb 2023, 9:48 pm
funeralxempire wrote:
Pepe wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
Pepe wrote:
The Albanese government is fully behind supporting Ukraine.
I think you missed this little fact.
"Confirmation Bias" strikes again, or so it seems.
:
I think you missed this little fact.
"Confirmation Bias" strikes again, or so it seems.
:
Normally Dutton takes a contrarian view against Albanese but not on this. He hates communism so naturally he's anti-Russian.
Since when has Dutton cared about violations of human rights? only two times he's cried about human rights are for white south africans and Ukrainians.
But for me this has nothing to do with politics. It's about paying the price to fund a covert war against Putin.
Communism and anti-communism aren't relevant to this conflict, except for old anti-NATO types who used to be against imperialism until Russia was doing it.
It's largely the establishment-leaning types who support Ukraine whether they identify as conservative or liberal; it's largely the anti-liberal right and tankies who support Russia.
If well, the US also invaded a sovereign nation is the best argument they have to support Russia they have no argument at all; anything that tries to use a sphere of influence as an argument is just admitting to supporting imperialism.
As mentioned, it is the hard left-wing government of Australia that is in support of Ukraine.
I find that "interesting".
Since when were social democrats "hard left"? Last I checked Labor were a run-of-the-mill centre-left party. Social democrats are establishment politicians at the end of the day. They support reform through institutions and they believe in participating in the current global order.
Social democrats are not "hard" or "far" or "radical" anything.
Firstly, you need to consider the context of Australian politics.
Secondly, you aren't a resident of Australia whereas I am.
The Albanese government is considered, by some, the most left-leaning government since *cough* St Gough Whitlam.
The policies being introduced AFTER the election suggests to me this is the case.
To be klear, there are things I like and dislike about this Labor Party government.
25 Feb 2023, 9:53 pm
cyberdad wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
I'm sorry to hear that you're struggling but I'm not sure that's a solid case for throwing Ukraine under the bus. The more broken the Russian military becomes now, the less likely it is that NATO will end up fighting them directly.
Thanks, Pepe thought my financial situation was funny
Could you cut and paste where you thought I was mocking your financial situation?
It seems to be the week of misrepresentation and character assassination.
"Interesting."
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25 Feb 2023, 10:02 pm
25 Feb 2023, 10:10 pm
Pepe wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
I'm sorry to hear that you're struggling but I'm not sure that's a solid case for throwing Ukraine under the bus. The more broken the Russian military becomes now, the less likely it is that NATO will end up fighting them directly.
Thanks, Pepe thought my financial situation was funny
Could you cut and paste where you thought I was mocking your financial situation?
It seems to be the week of misrepresentation and character assassination.
"Interesting."
Pepe wrote:
Well, yes, I can afford my position in barracking for Ukraine.
But Australians are being hit also by the cost of living increases.
cyberdad isn't in as good a position, based on what he has said.
25 Feb 2023, 10:15 pm
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