Astronaut Lisa Nowak diagnosed with AS

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29 Aug 2007, 9:34 am

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I guess when someone of any importance does something, it is assumed that it is caused by a disorder instead of a bad decision.

Just a shame her defense attorney chose something as innocuous as Asperger's to take the blame for her poor judgement. :?


Her lawyer didn’t pick it, the expert psychiatrist he hired diagnosed her with it.

Whether she truly has AS or not (or if it's just a convenient diversion conjured up by her defense team; any diagnosis can be bought via 'doctor shopping'. One of her shrinks is Dr. Richard Pesikoff, who is identified in published reports as an expert for Andrea Yates, a mother accused of drowning her five children in 2001. Yates eventually was found not guilty by reason of insanity.), AS certainly played no role in her attack on her romantic rival.

They might just as well have said she was suffering from athlete's foot. Not germane. :?



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29 Aug 2007, 10:21 am

UncleBeer wrote:
Kit wrote:
UncleBeer wrote:
dumbgenius wrote:
I guess when someone of any importance does something, it is assumed that it is caused by a disorder instead of a bad decision.

Just a shame her defense attorney chose something as innocuous as Asperger's to take the blame for her poor judgement. :?


Her lawyer didn’t pick it, the expert psychiatrist he hired diagnosed her with it.

Whether she truly has AS or not (or if it's just a convenient diversion conjured up by her defense team; any diagnosis can be bought via 'doctor shopping'. One of her shrinks is Dr. Richard Pesikoff, who is identified in published reports as an expert for Andrea Yates, a mother accused of drowning her five children in 2001. Yates eventually was found not guilty by reason of insanity.), AS certainly played no role in her attack on her romantic rival.

They might just as well have said she was suffering from athlete's foot. Not germane. :?


It may be possible to believe that AS “played no role… in her attack on her romantic rival” but it certainly was a proximate cause of the first 5 psychiatric issues listed under Axis 1 (http://www.orlandosentinel.com/media/ac ... 167449.pdf q.v.); AS is 6th and last. The proof of this is ubiquitous and is before us now; look at the posts on this board dealing with the emotional problems of its ---AS--- members. The vast majority of them fall into one or more of the first 5 categories. I don’t think anyone would argue that AS predisposes individuals to these secondary issues. Furthermore the first 5 may be transitory but AS is forever and is therefore cited as the under girding.
Finally, I don’t have any problem with her attorney retaining the best possible experts. Who is he suppose to hire?



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29 Aug 2007, 11:42 am

She probably has AS. If living with AS didn't frequently cause secondary emotional problems, this forum wouldn't exist.

Her AS may have contributed to her fixation on "confronting" her rival to find out "where she stood" in the romantic triangle - she was completely fixated on getting information out of that woman. I think her intent was to scare information out of her if necessary. I doubt she intended to do her serious physical harm.

This fixation may have caused her weight to plummet and her emotional state to bottom out, leading to brief reactive psychosis and her subsequent desperate actions.

I think she's completely responsible for her actions that contributed to this alleged breakdown, especially for letting this fixation with her rival get out of hand without seeking psychological help for it.

However, it would be very sad if NASA shrinks had previously detected her AS symptoms, and yet failed to educate her on the social difficulties inherent to the condition so that she could have possibly developed more self-awareness and coping mechanisms for emotional stress.

And once again on WP, fellow aspies are trashing someone diagnosed with AS who made a really bad mistake. Obviously hypocrisy and self-righteousness aren't limited to NTs.



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29 Aug 2007, 2:00 pm

You speak of comorbid psychiatric problems that certainly may have played a role in her threatening behaviour. By far, the most prevalent comorbid condition with AS is depression. Does depression make people violent? Not in my experience.

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And once again on WP, fellow aspies are trashing someone diagnosed with AS who made a really bad mistake. Obviously hypocrisy and self-righteousness aren't limited to NTs.

If you're addressing me, I've staunchly defended Aspies. First, hers is a diagnosis of convenience made at the behest of an ambulance-chaser. A lawyer's task isn't to secure justice, but merely to get their client out of a fix. Second, I'm convinced that AS per se isn't a trigger to violence.



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29 Aug 2007, 2:46 pm

Here is her list of diagnoses:

"Partner relational problem, major depressive disorder, insomnia, brief psychotic disorder with marked stressors, Asperger's disorder, obsessive-compulsive personality disorder, loss of body mass, problems with primary support group, marital separation, problems related to social environment, inadequate social support system and inability to confide in social contacts."

Asperger's disorder and obsessive-compulsive personality disorder are very similar, so much so it is not appropriate to diagnose both conditions. I read a paper in psychology journal stating that OCPD should be removed from the DSM because of its similarity with AS. The foundation upon which her messed up personality was built on, is AS. And AS left her alone and vulnerable.

Yes, when I first heard about Lisa Nowak, I thought of AS. Sorry to say, I agree with the diagnosis. Her obsessiveness and single mindedness that got her into space, ended up as a negative obsession with a love rival. I'm sure we agree that AS is a mix of gifts and disabilities, both positive and negative obsessions can occur.



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29 Aug 2007, 3:08 pm

I think Lisa Nowak is more OCD than Aspergers.
But if this is true, you have to be kidding me.


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30 Aug 2007, 6:12 pm

im sorry i just dont believe it. im sure you have to take some kindof psychological tests to do any kindof job at nasa let alone be a friggin astronaught. if she had any of those disorders shurly there are some records somewhere of her seeking help for them, earlier in her life. shes just looking to stay out of prison



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30 Aug 2007, 7:32 pm

No, Asperger's is just one of the many things she has/had.

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* Axis I: 300.3 Obsessive-Compulsive Disorder; V61.10 Partner relational problem; 296.23 Major Depressive Disorder, single episode, severe; 307.42 Insomnia related to 300.3, 301.4, V61.10 and 296.23; 298.8 Brief Psychotic Disorder with marked stressors (interactions of Axis IV and 307.42 producing a mixed panic and depressive like state); 299.80 Asperger's Disorder

* Axis II: 301.4 Obsessive-Compulsive Personality Disorder

* Axis III: Recent loss of 15% of body mass Due to 296.23

* Axis IV: Problems with primary support group. Marital separation, and unable to confide in members of family of origin. Problems related to the social environment. Relationship problem and inadequate social support system and unable to confide in social contacts.

* Axis V: 30 (Currently 65)



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30 Aug 2007, 7:39 pm

No, Asperger's is just one of the many things they say she has/had. It seems they are going to argue that Asperger's left her vulnerable to social isolation, she had no one to ask for help (Note the Axis IV). She was depressed, obsessed and all tired and emotional (sorry they mean Brief Psychotic Disorder).

Most of the posts I read on CBS were supportive of her, surprisingly. It seems that diagnosing her with a laundry list of disorders had the intended effect of garnering sympathy.

No, it seems that they will blame her behavior on a Brief Psychotic Disorder.

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* Axis I: 300.3 Obsessive-Compulsive Disorder; V61.10 Partner relational problem; 296.23 Major Depressive Disorder, single episode, severe; 307.42 Insomnia related to 300.3, 301.4, V61.10 and 296.23; 298.8 Brief Psychotic Disorder with marked stressors (interactions of Axis IV and 307.42 producing a mixed panic and depressive like state); 299.80 Asperger's Disorder

* Axis II: 301.4 Obsessive-Compulsive Personality Disorder

* Axis III: Recent loss of 15% of body mass Due to 296.23

* Axis IV: Problems with primary support group. Marital separation, and unable to confide in members of family of origin. Problems related to the social environment. Relationship problem and inadequate social support system and unable to confide in social contacts.

* Axis V: 30 (Currently 65)



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30 Aug 2007, 7:42 pm

i think its funny that most people who claim to have disorders its almost always after the fact or when there facing serious jail time.

where were all these horrific disorders prior to this?



07 Sep 2007, 1:58 pm

An astronaut aspie wearing a diaper, hot. :heart:



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07 Sep 2007, 2:35 pm

richardbenson wrote:
i think its funny that most people who claim to have disorders its almost always after the fact or when there facing serious jail time.

where were all these horrific disorders prior to this?

Exactly.

Ya'll never heard of the " twinkie defense"? :roll:



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07 Sep 2007, 3:52 pm

When I lived in Houston, I worked just a few blocks from NASA.

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09 Sep 2007, 7:18 pm

I just don't believe that this woman had or ever had, AS. It's infuriating that they are seeking to blame ill conceived act on it, just because its the latest, headline making disorder. A few years back, they were blaming first MPD, and then Bipolar disorder, for everything.


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13 Sep 2007, 3:10 am

sinsboldly wrote:
(like Onslow would say)

Oh, noice!

it sure wasn't a problem when she was an ASTRONAUGHT!


Good point! (and good pun)



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13 Sep 2007, 4:12 pm

Fabulous. Just what we need. :roll:


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