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Yesterday, 1:46 pm

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Have you researched the charges made against him and the evidence which led to his guilty verdict? There’s quite a bit of evidence demonstrating both his misogyny and abuse of women over the course of decades. It’s not merely “fake news.” NY’s penal law deemed his crime “sexual abuse” although the term “rapist” is appropriate IMO.


There were several people thrown into prison last year based on politics alone. I watched this happening around me to outspoken people that I knew. They hadn’t done anything wrong that I could see. They only expressed an opinion and were punished for voicing it. I’m still trying to understand the full extent of the corruption in the system. All that I know for certain is that politics and religion shouldn’t be weaponized.



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Yesterday, 1:54 pm

You didn’t answer my question: Have you researched the charges made against him and the evidence which led to his guilty verdict?

I think it’s nicer for people to dismiss reports as “fake news” without engaging with them. That’s likely part of the reason why we currently have a piece of s**t in Office. People weren’t willing to seriously consider or investigate his horrific behavior because they preferred believing that he would be a solution to their problems. That’s a recurring theme in world history and an interesting facet of human behavior.


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Yesterday, 2:02 pm

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I struggle to see how anyone thought the guy promising to crash the US economy was going to improve the US economy, but apparently there's a lot of people who need to find out personally before they realize what's up.


You may be right. But I can only vote based on my personal experiences. Every presidential election I ask myself “Were things better or worse last term?” If they were worse, then I vote for a change in leadership. If I’m unable to pay for my basic living expenses, something is wrong with the system. I’m more fortunate than some because I have savings from a previous job from another decade ago to fall back on. But it won’t last forever and I’m not eligible for social security at my age.

Here’s hoping for a decent job with fair pay this year!


Hope in one hand and s**t in the other, then tell me which one fills up first.

When things go as expected don't expect much sympathy because it's just the expected and predictable consequences of your own choice.


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Yesterday, 2:07 pm

Telling you made a poor decision because you were disinformed doesn't mean I hate you, neither does telling you that you won't escape the natural consequences of your actions.

I don't say those things to taunt you, I say them to warn you.

As for sympathy, I have much more sympathy for the people who aren't responsible for this situation over the people who are directly responsible. My lack of sympathy isn't motivated by hate, it's motivated by common sense.


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Yesterday, 3:53 pm

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This is interesting to me. Thanks for responding. I don’t think many Americans think of Australia. That isn’t an insult. We just don’t have news inciting us to think about Australia.


I don't really think Australians care what others outside think of them, as a people we are like South Africans or Israelis. Settler colonists who created living space out of desert and scrub. there is a self-confidence and resilience that comes with it. So, nope, we don't think much about American views about us. But we are opinionated though about other countries :lol:



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Yesterday, 3:56 pm

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I often wonder about the true reality of worldwide provocations. News feeds can be the only determinants for global populations.


US media (news, cinema and tv) nurtures 90% of the world who have access to media. You could go to a village in Burma and the people would probably have watched all 10 series of the X-files (a result of AI translations and captions).



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Yesterday, 4:05 pm

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this is what you voted for
I doubt very many current members of Wrong Planet voted for him.


the thread title is aimed at all people who voted for trump, not specifically WP members. It's not meant to be accusatory but rather illustrating the consequences of a bad decision. the environment and toxic ecosystem created by trump's picks (everything from the FBI, DOGE, DOD to his vice president) opens the door to trump selecting a mentally unbalanced lacky to oversee nuclear weapons protocols or foreign trade and suddenly the rest of the world is on the precipice of global catastrophe.

Elez clearly wasn't in the minds of voters but anything Musk says now seems to get a raucous applause from the MAGA cheer squad.



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Yesterday, 4:10 pm

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I struggle to see how anyone thought the guy promising to crash the US economy was going to improve the US economy, but apparently there's a lot of people who need to find out personally before they realize what's up.


Elez isn't the only one. Musk seems to be picking the worst sort.
Other DOGE employees have also made headlines in recent days
Reuters reports Gavin Kliger, a “special advisor to the director” at the Office of Personnel Management working with DOGE, reposted comments from white supremacist Nick Fuentes and self-proclaimed misogynist and political commentator Andrew Tate.

Elsewhere, Bloomberg writes 19-year-old DOGE employee Edward Coristine was fired from a cybersecurity internship after being accused of leaking information about the company – Path Network - to a competitor.

this is serious enough for a federal judge to temporarily restricted DOGE from having access to a vital Treasury payment system.
The New York judge said early Saturday morning that allowing Musk’s department access to the Treasury’s crucial payment and data system could cause “irreparable harm”, and that a risk of leaks is heightened by Musk having access as a “special government employee”.

https://www.msn.com/en-ie/news/world/wh ... r-AA1yGBQR



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Yesterday, 4:14 pm

Trump talked about draining the swamp, but instead he's replacing it with a dumber, more blatant swamp. People voted for kleptocracy and no amount of wishful thinking will save them from what they voted for.


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Yesterday, 4:39 pm

I think there's a mindset in 2025 that prepares the way for electing popularist leaders who are vacuous but who say some key things that sway aforementioned mindset that "I like him".

I asked a 19 yr old who is a product of the last generation where they get their news. the answer was tik tok. How much time do they spend on tik tok, most of the day, they also have an X account. I asked can they live without it. No they cant. Aren't they worried that the CCP will use their personal data? No they don't care. Why? because they are willing to trade their security for being connected to the platform (I'm not making this up).

I think its the same with voting trump. People know what risks he poses. But they also like some of the the things he says. We are in an age of popularism.



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Yesterday, 4:40 pm

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I voted for him this term because I couldn’t get a job last term and because science is important to me. I think much like AI sometimes, examining probability and analytics. The scientific community along with the tech explorers have opened my mind to worlds beyond my previous imaginations. It is my hope, as I look to the future of mankind, that science will help to unite us someday,


Good luck with your job search.

Forty years ago I figured there weren't many science jobs available and went into engineering instead.
At the end of my career my job was mostly customer service. Fortunately I saved a lot of money and got to retire earlier than I expected. :D



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Yesterday, 5:06 pm

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about 155 million ballots were cast. This would mean an estimated 89 million Americans, or about 36% of the country’s voting-eligible population, did not vote in the 2024 general election.

https://www.usnews.com/news/national-ne ... 4-election
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Popular vote totals for 2024 election

- Donald Trump: 77,303,573 votes (49.9%)

- Kamala Harris: 75,019,257 votes (48.4%)

https://www.fox9.com/news/election-resu ... -trump.amp

Factoring in eligible people who didn’t vote that would mean that roughly 31.5% of eligible Americans voted for Trump unless I miscalculated which is quite possible.
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24% of U.S. adults describe themselves as born-again or evangelical Protestants

https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/20 ... ffiliated/

I’m not saying all Trump voters are evangelical Protestants by any means, but they do make up a significant percentage of his core fan base. They strongly promote the anti-intellectualism that is plaguing this country. In addition to that, the far right has been targeting young male voters. My point is that it’s a perfect storm of factors. It seems like a large number of voters who did not belong to these demographics were focused on economics. IMO, it’s totally irrational, but when people have concerns about stuff like inflation under one presidency, a fair amount of them tend to think voting for the candidate from the other political party is a good idea.


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Yesterday, 6:33 pm

Hey! Please don't say it is what I voted for!

It's what I have to live with because apparently a bunch of folk did vote for him...which I cannot understand.

There was a time in the 2016 election when there were five candidates still in play:

Clinton, Cruz, Kasich, Sanders, and Trump
When Kasich (who I knew very little about) dropped out I knew I was not going to be happy with the election result.

After the primaries there were two candidates left, Clinton and Trump, and I began sharing my recommendation: Congress should begin the impeachment paperwork now so that after the election they can just fill in the name of the next president. That way they'll be ready to hold the first impeachment hearing on inauguration day.

However, I did not expect there would need to be a record-setting two impeachments in the first term!


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Yesterday, 6:50 pm

BTDT wrote:
Stargazer99 wrote:
I voted for him this term because I couldn’t get a job last term and because science is important to me. I think much like AI sometimes, examining probability and analytics. The scientific community along with the tech explorers have opened my mind to worlds beyond my previous imaginations. It is my hope, as I look to the future of mankind, that science will help to unite us someday,


Good luck with your job search.

Forty years ago I figured there weren't many science jobs available and went into engineering instead.
At the end of my career my job was mostly customer service. Fortunately I saved a lot of money and got to retire earlier than I expected. :D


That’s awesome! And thanks.

Mostly I’m just looking to find a basic ‘job’ to live a simple life now. I’m responsible for myself and my two dogs, so as long as I can care for them (and myself for them) I should be okay.

I care about people too so maybe I’ll volunteer again if I can find an authentically kind group. The world still needs kindness and less fighting, imo.



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Yesterday, 7:32 pm

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Even if one believes he’ll be good for the economy, which I think is extremely unlikely, President Scumbag is a known rapist. There’s probably not much such an abhorrent person wouldn’t do. He’s demonstrated that he’s not above trampling on the basic human rights of another person. It’s not hard to see how that could play out on a larger scale. We’re seeing it right now.


I don’t know if he has raped anyone or if it’s just fake news being spread. Honestly. The thing is…there is truth that some newsfeeds are deepfake. I only know this from personal experience. My own newsfeeds were hacked last year with images of friends I once knew. They weren’t real videos but the editing was flawless. With that in mind, I don’t trust many media outlets now. But I try my best to make decisions based on my personal experiences and what I see happening around me. I read too. There is so much bias now that they are even making commercials about people hating each other. The recent Super Bowl highlighted this. It’s a strange world but I’m optimistically hoping for the best.

I can’t control anyone’s behavior except my own.

A jury held him liable for sexual assault. The judge who presided over the trial said that what he was held liable for did not meet the definition of rape under New York State law it was rape as most people understand the term.


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