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19 Oct 2007, 11:40 am

KimJ wrote:
Of course I can your friend a racist if he is using race to disqualify job applicants. He is the one using race as the determining factor.

Actually, he was using not showing up for work as the determining factor. :lol:

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There is no contradiction in my statement about Black culture. Being Black, African-American or whatever your preferred choice of label, does not mean you're part of any Black culture. Just like being Indian doesn't mean I'm part of Indian culture, or having Mexican ancestors means you're part of Hispanic culture.


Oh, I just love semantics... and word games, ya know...


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19 Oct 2007, 11:56 am

It looks like we are misunderstanding each other. I took that your friend no longer hired blacks because of his belief they are dishonest. That is what I addressed specifically. Now you're saying that he fired his black employees when they didn't show up for work, which is an entirely different action. Would he fire white employees for no-shows too? I would guess that he would. That is basing current opinion on current behavior, not race.

I am not playing word games. If anything, I was making a logic statement. Some oranges are navel oranges, and all navel oranges are oranges. But not all oranges are navel oranges. In any case, I have to go and do something and pretend to be busy. I'll check back later.



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19 Oct 2007, 1:24 pm

KimJ wrote:
Would he fire white employees for no-shows too?

Well, generally, employees who refuse to work are let go. What kind of question is that??
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In any case, I have to go and do something and pretend to be busy. I'll check back later.

Na, we're done. (Well, I am, anyway. I won't be checking back.)


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19 Oct 2007, 4:35 pm

KimJ, you have actually clarified something that I have always wondered about. As a person who has traveled around the USA, worked with Mexicans, African Americans, Asians, Asian Indians, Irish immigrants, ect. I have seen that just because you belong to any of these by virtue of your birth, doesn't necessarily mean that you live by the culture of that race. So, an African American doesn't necessarily emulate the Hip Hop culture, nor will a Mexican American follow all the customs and holidays of a person who was raised in Mexico. Nor will an Asian American necessarily follow the customs and traditions of the Asian country his or her ancestors come from.


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19 Oct 2007, 5:16 pm

Right. I understand that other regions in the country produce different observations. I grew up and currently live in predominately white or white/Hispanic regions. So, I have observed probably the same amount of lazy workers, dishonest workers, welfare moms, gangster kids, cheapskates and whatnot and they all fall within the "white race". While different races exist and are easily noticed, these people are mostly integrated with all the other "whites".
I briefly lived in the midwest where it was totally different because there was a different history. There were a lot more ethnic groups represented and they were quite segregated from each other, producing very strong cultural differences and perspectives.



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19 Oct 2007, 10:03 pm

I'll de-lurk to add my two cents. I've noticed some people here compare black people to white people and to mexican or hispanic people. I've seen this in research as well, and in tests and studies (like the IQ ones), and the problem is this: Hispanic is not a race, and mexican is definitely not a race.

One can't compare black people or white people to hispanic people, it doesn't work that way. There are white hispanics, black hispanics, native american hispanics, mixed race hispanics, even oriental hispanics, like Alberto Fujimori. Hispanic and/or latino is just a denomination for people who come from spanish and portuguese speaking countries (like me), but it has nothing to do with race.

Just my two cents.



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20 Oct 2007, 3:40 pm

As a multi-cultured person, I have always felt like I didn't fit into any known category. Thanks for the insights!


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