Cerebral Palsy + DNR order = one pissed off Strapples

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Do you think parents should be allowed to file DNR on a child under the age of 16
YES 19%  19%  [ 16 ]
NO 81%  81%  [ 67 ]
Total votes : 83

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10 Dec 2007, 8:14 pm

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I still don't understand what a DNR is? What does it do for the child? :?

should there be a medical emergency it means DO NOT RESUSCITATE meaning they cant call paramedics is something goes wrong medically :(


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10 Dec 2007, 8:22 pm

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I am on the fence here, but leaning in Strapples direction. My only cause for pause is that I have been in nursing units (used to work as a nursing assistant) with patients who were on respirators because they did not have DNR's, and now lived in silence, and only because of artificial means. That is a horrible 'life' that can go on for years.

Of course, most of the patients were older than 50. There were a few who were younger, a couple around my age at the time (late 20's), and no children.

I voted no, because I think that she is far too young to give up on, but I also can picture her in the environment I described, and it is a very upsetting picture. This is one of the choices that, as a parent, you hope you will never have to make.


i agree, if someone is older and on ventilator in comatose and all that i think pulling the plug and seeing what happens is not a bad thing... at that point thats when its time to say "lets pull the plug and see if he/she is a lung fish and can breathe outside the water (ventilator)" and sometimes it happens, someone will start spontanious respiration in those units... i have hear of many cases where that has happened...

but someone this young is far too young to give up on and just needs proper preventative medical care to STOP the coughing fits caused by respiratoratory infections... simple, use very high vitamin and mineral intake and pull out of schools and stay in most of the winter... stay safe!


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10 Dec 2007, 8:25 pm

Strapples,
I had some trouble understanding your post. Why exactly was Katie's picture taken? Did her parents know that her picture was taken. What is the DNR? Dawn



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10 Dec 2007, 8:26 pm

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I had some trouble understanding your post. Why exactly was Katie's picture taken? Did her parents know that her picture was taken. What is the DNR? Dawn

it is a controversy going on... they know the picture was taken it was taken because the schools have decided to accept and uphold a DO NOT RESUSCITATE order given by the parent in the even of a medical emergency...

it is because she has severe CP that they put the DNR on her and i think it is completely inappropriate...


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10 Dec 2007, 8:38 pm

How awful! Just because a person has a physical disability, that doesn't mean that he or she can't have a worthwhile life. That little girl looks very bright.



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10 Dec 2007, 8:39 pm

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How awful! Just because a person has a physical disability, that doesn't mean that he or she can't have a worthwhile life. That little girl looks very bright.


AGREED!!

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10 Dec 2007, 8:45 pm

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I couldn't find a link to the article from the photo gallery, but I did eventually find it:

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-dnrkids_bd_09dec09,0,3568955.story?page=1

According to the article, the doctor told the parents that her condition was getting worse and suggested the DNR so that she could die peacefully at home. I still don't agree with it, considering that they didn't ask her.

i dont call dying in choking coughing spasms "peaceful" what a bunch of bullcrap... i would want an ambulance to show up and get the intubation system set up ASAP and get me back alive ASAP!


I'd probably feel the same way. I can say that because I've nearly died a few times. I definitely wanted to survive, no matter what. And I don't think I'd feel differently if I had cp or something like that. But that's not the point. The point, to me, is that she's a child and she did not make the decision. The part about the family "gaining control" through the decision was especially scary.



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10 Dec 2007, 8:48 pm

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I couldn't find a link to the article from the photo gallery, but I did eventually find it:

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-dnrkids_bd_09dec09,0,3568955.story?page=1

According to the article, the doctor told the parents that her condition was getting worse and suggested the DNR so that she could die peacefully at home. I still don't agree with it, considering that they didn't ask her.

i dont call dying in choking coughing spasms "peaceful" what a bunch of bullcrap... i would want an ambulance to show up and get the intubation system set up ASAP and get me back alive ASAP!


I'd probably feel the same way. I can say that because I've nearly died a few times. I definitely wanted to survive, no matter what. And I don't think I'd feel differently if I had cp or something like that. But that's not the point. The point, to me, is that she's a child and she did not make the decision. The part about the family "gaining control" through the decision was especially scary.

i do NOT think parents should have this much control over a child...

and if she were my kid i would want her to live no matter what... as long as i could be there with her, i dont care if she was in the hospital... i would just stay in the hospital with her...


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10 Dec 2007, 8:56 pm

The DNR does sound awful. Can't call for help when something goes wrong with the child. :( So I voted no.



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10 Dec 2007, 8:58 pm

Spokane_Girl wrote:
The DNR does sound awful. Can't call for help when something goes wrong with the child. :( So I voted no.

AGREED!! !

the parents should not have done this... i emailed the news paper... and i might after we get a large amount of votes here send (without names) anonymized results and comments... i seek for a court to reverse this decision.


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10 Dec 2007, 9:00 pm

I'm surprised that it's even legal to have a DNR for a child. I think that adults should be allowed to request DNRs for themselves under certain circumstances, but no one should have the right to choose whether another person lives or dies. It's something that would be clearly illegal in application to a person without a disability.



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10 Dec 2007, 9:03 pm

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I'm surprised that it's even legal to have a DNR for a child. I think that adults should be allowed to request DNRs for themselves under certain circumstances, but no one should have the right to choose whether another person lives or dies. It's something that would be clearly illegal in application to a person without a disability.

i am thoroughly surprised that this DNR was actually approved... i do not think adults should be allowed to file a DNR on their child...

i agree that an adult should be allowed to request a CONDITIONAL DNR, BUT NOT A DNR LIKE THIS ONE... CPR AND DEFIBBRILATION ARE NOT BAD THINGS... being in a coma for 6 years on a ventilator now thats DNR material... when i turn 18 i am going to get a DNR stating that if i am on a ventilator and in a coma for more than 6 months to pull the plug, ventilator without coma is fine... but NO ONE should have the right to say whether someone else is allowed to live or die... i do not think this DNR would have been allowed to fly if she were not disabled... the american legal system is a giant turd to me...


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10 Dec 2007, 10:05 pm

i cant give my opion on this situation because i lack all the facts that the family may have thier motives what they went trough and the girls prognosis but i belive in most situations the familly should decide if they make thier desion out of love i cant say for sure if the familys desion here is out of love and even if it it is is it rational love but what i will say is to restrict a dnr of this type completle is to say that in any situation parents should never be allowed to havea choic over how thier child suffers in live and how they want that suffering to end

so i dont think it be fair of me to vote because everything is situational i cant be a judge on a desion like this


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10 Dec 2007, 10:17 pm

that poor girl!! i can only imagine how she must feel knowing her parents would rather her die then be given proper care!! then again, she might not know what the DNR sign means, since she's so young.. i wonder if anyone even took the time to explain it to her. i don't think anyone has the right to decide for themselves if another person lives or dies. as far as i'm concerned, standing by and just letting someone die is the same as killing them yourself. and a child, no less!! :evil: i think the ONLY time a DNR should be given is with the concent of the person it's for!! and if that person is unable to make the decision (like, if they're in a CVS) then i still don't think it should be given to a child!! :x


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10 Dec 2007, 10:17 pm

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i cant give my opion on this situation because i lack all the facts that the family may have thier motives what they went trough and the girls prognosis but i belive in most situations the familly should decide if they make thier desion out of love i cant say for sure if the familys desion here is out of love and even if it it is is it rational love but what i will say is to restrict a dnr of this type completle is to say that in any situation parents should never be allowed to havea choic over how thier child suffers in live and how they want that suffering to end

so i dont think it be fair of me to vote because everything is situational i cant be a judge on a desion like this


the problem is you dont "suffer" from cerebral palsy... it causes problems but you just have to work through them...

i do not agree that parents should have this much control over their childs life... its just plain wrong to me... i think no one should have the ability to do a DNR on someone other than themselves at ANY age...


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10 Dec 2007, 10:24 pm

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that poor girl!! i can only imagine how she must feel knowing her parents would rather her die then be given proper care!! then again, she might not know what the DNR sign means, since she's so young.. i wonder if anyone even took the time to explain it to her. i don't think anyone has the right to decide for themselves if another person lives or dies. as far as i'm concerned, standing by and just letting someone die is the same as killing them yourself. and a child, no less!! :evil: i think the ONLY time a DNR should be given is with the concent of the person it's for!! and if that person is unable to make the decision (like, if they're in a CVS) then i still don't think it should be given to a child!! :x


DNR's and children do NOT mix... well they shouldnt mix...

i dont think anyone probably took the time to explain what it is, and if someone were to right now i bet she would be screaming back "DELETE THAT DNR... NOW YOU A$&HOLE I CANT BELIEVE I HAD YOU PIECES OF &#*^ FOR PARENTS"

i dont think anyone has the right to decide for someone other than themselves whether they live or die... i agree with your statement on this thing being murder, personally if she does die and medical care can be given and the DNR stopped it i would gladly charge both parents with indirect premeditated murder (life/death penalty) DNR's do not belong on ANYONE under the age of 16 (not a legal law... yet... but i seek to make it one) heck if this were my world id say no one could have a DNR until they are 18 (legal adult) the only time i say a DNR can be made by someone else is if they are in a PVS for more than 6 months and are older than 30 years old...


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