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05 Jan 2008, 9:00 pm

On that note -
There was a New Zealand band called Shihad who were huge in their home country, and tried to crack the US shortly after 9/11. They were forced to change their name (to Pacifier, after one of their biggest singles) because the Americans all thought it meant 'Jihad' and would boo them off the stage or boycott their gigs. :roll:

(Thankfully they eventually saw sense and moved home, changed their name back to Shihad because their kiwi fanbase refused to call them Pacifier, and brought out one of their biggest albums to date).


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05 Jan 2008, 9:02 pm

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No way in hell will Obama be allowed to become President of the US.

For one thing, he's black. The US establishment will never allow a non-white person to become President. He would be assassinated if they thought he had a decent chance, and just like MLK and the Kennedys there will be a "patsy" arrested for it and no one will ever be able to prove the actual forces behind it.

Secondly, it will never even get that far. Why? One simple reason - his name. It's one letter different from Osama. Republican posters against him will be the simplest thing ever. "A Vote For Obama Is A Vote For Osama". Photoshops of him with a beard and turban, OBAMA in capitals with a different coloured S within the B. If i had Photoshop, i could make it now. The Republicans have probably already made it.

Seriously, i'm amazed he didn't change his name after 11/9 if he had any intent of running for office whatsoever. He has no chance.

If i lived in the US, i'd be seeking asylum in the Lakota territories right now.


You are being both paranoid and way way way to pessimistic, This is 2008 not 1968. I remember reading an article that said that 97% of people under the age of 30 had absolutely no problem with interracial relationships.

Oh, and Kennedy conspiracy theories are a total load of crap.


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05 Jan 2008, 9:34 pm

shivanataraja wrote:
No way in hell will Obama be allowed to become President of the US.

For one thing, he's black. The US establishment will never allow a non-white person to become President. He would be assassinated if they thought he had a decent chance, and just like MLK and the Kennedys there will be a "patsy" arrested for it and no one will ever be able to prove the actual forces behind it.

Secondly, it will never even get that far. Why? One simple reason - his name. It's one letter different from Osama. Republican posters against him will be the simplest thing ever. "A Vote For Obama Is A Vote For Osama". Photoshops of him with a beard and turban, OBAMA in capitals with a different coloured S within the B. If i had Photoshop, i could make it now. The Republicans have probably already made it.

Seriously, i'm amazed he didn't change his name after 11/9 if he had any intent of running for office whatsoever. He has no chance.

If i lived in the US, i'd be seeking asylum in the Lakota territories right now.


94% of Americans would vote for a satisfactory black president, according to a Gallup poll (I couldn't find the original poll).
More humorously, I read that similar polls found that only about half of Americans thought we were ready for a black president.
What does this tell us?
Everyone thinks we're more racist than we are. Quit drumming up the racial rhetoric.


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06 Jan 2008, 3:54 am

I do worry that Obama and/or Hillary will be assasinated if they get the nomination, though. A lot of people really hate Hillary Clinton on a personal level, and there are some really whack-job hold-outs to racism in general that might think that 'sacrificing themselves' to keep a black man out of the white house would be worth it. Neo-nazis, skin heads, that sort of character. There aren't many, and they don't tend to be very smart, but they are out there. Hopefully the secret service has his back.



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07 Jan 2008, 8:34 am

I don't like Obama's views. It is filled with naivete. The whole liberal view on world politics and economy is naive.


Strangely enough, I would probably vote for Hillary.


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10 Jan 2008, 3:33 pm

How about 'The war will last a few weeks, they'll welcome us with flowers, MISSION ACCOMPLISHED' for political naiivete?



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10 Jan 2008, 4:45 pm

sojournertruth wrote:
How about 'The war will last a few weeks, they'll welcome us with flowers, MISSION ACCOMPLISHED' for political naiivete?


That's not naivety, that is stupidity, lol!

I still laugh at the "They're so free, look at them, free people riot!" Hahaha.

Anyone with a bit of knowledge on the mid-east would have known this. Rumsfield didn't and acted like he was Bill Parcels of the U.S. military.


Other than that, it did go as plan for the first few weeks, ha.



I pose to you this question: Since Barak wants to pull out the troops, why would he say he'd send them against Pakistan? Are not the liberals tired of war? How long will he keep the troops in Afghanistan? What will the Saudi policy be like? What are his plans for Iraq? Keep it together or split it apart? You split Iraq and you're pretty much in a border conflict between all the states that surround Iraq. You keep it together and you still have a civil war. You pull out and you are more than likely looking at another Afghanistan. Don't get me started on Israel, lmao!


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10 Jan 2008, 4:59 pm

sojournertruth wrote:
I do worry that Obama and/or Hillary will be assasinated if they get the nomination, though. A lot of people really hate Hillary Clinton on a personal level, and there are some really whack-job hold-outs to racism in general that might think that 'sacrificing themselves' to keep a black man out of the white house would be worth it. Neo-nazis, skin heads, that sort of character. There aren't many, and they don't tend to be very smart, but they are out there. Hopefully the secret service has his back.


I can't understand why people are saying this-- countless people, many of whom are powerful, hate George W Bush, yet he is still alive. Both Obama and Hillary already have secret service protection, the same protection given to the president. Why would the same protection keeping a very despised man alive suddenly become fallow when put upon a woman or a black man?



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10 Jan 2008, 5:12 pm

What's wrong with Hillary, though?
Both are good.


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11 Jan 2008, 1:40 am

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Didn't Oprah buy the entire planet a few years ago?
Yeah, then she gave portions of asia to her studio audience for her "Favorite Things" show.



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11 Jan 2008, 10:16 pm

Dude. F*** Obama.

Ron Paul for the win.


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12 Jan 2008, 9:23 am

Does anybody here believe the bs that's been sent around the net saying he's a Muslim?


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12 Jan 2008, 4:29 pm

I know some people who do.

Politicians are hoping that the AMerican public is stupid enough to go on first impressions- Obama is a muslim, Hilary is anti-men, Romney is a polygamist, Huckabee is a radical evangelical, and Guiliani is a crossdresser. Hopefully there are people out there who wont fall for the tricks and will judge a candidate on their past political experience and platforms.



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12 Jan 2008, 6:02 pm

twoshots wrote:
94% of Americans would vote for a satisfactory black president, according to a Gallup poll (I couldn't find the original poll).
More humorously, I read that similar polls found that only about half of Americans thought we were ready for a black president.
What does this tell us?
Everyone thinks we're more racist than we are. Quit drumming up the racial rhetoric.


Unfortunately, the remaining 6% is more than enough to lose an election

And also unfortunately, in an American election, accusations don't need to be true to be effective. Strategy in this country seems to be to just keep slinging mud at your opponent in the hopes that some of it will stick.



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14 Jan 2008, 8:30 am

merr wrote:
I know some people who do.

Politicians are hoping that the AMerican public is stupid enough to go on first impressions- Obama is a muslim, Hilary is anti-men, Romney is a polygamist, Huckabee is a radical evangelical, and Guiliani is a crossdresser. Hopefully there are people out there who wont fall for the tricks and will judge a candidate on their past political experience and platforms.


I agree with your point. Going with first impressions is stupid. Looking into politicians and the parties they are a part of more deeply is important. I think the characters of the men or women that are being voted in should be thought about just as much as their experience and platforms. I'll take the example of Huckabee being a radical evangelical. I don't know if he's radical, but I do know he's a former Baptist minister. This means he's a Christian. That alone wouldn't stop me from voting for him, but, my concern would be whether or not he keeps his religious beliefs and his job as president separate the way I believe they should be. I don't think Bush did and still doesn't and I don't know if Huckabee will either. It's too much of a risk to trust him in my view.

On the flip side, my research into Obama reveals that he claims he's Christian and comes from a non-religious background (I can provide some links and quotes from them if you'd like). My thinking is that if he's not Christian, he's probably an agnostic or atheist who is putting on a pretence in order to gain popular opinion with the many voters who would not vote for him on the basis of his not being religious. I've been lead to believe that in some states, a person cannot get into politics unless they are Christian. Obama could simply be attempting to get passed that barrier. To say his Muslim must be coming from the people who found out he spent time in Indonesia. Being a mostly Muslim country, many people would assume he's Muslim, without actually checking what he did when he has there (he was a kid at this time by the way). I his opponents are trying to take advantage of this.


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