just curious but why is being a Muslim seen as being...
By the way what would you say the guy who called me "a f**king hypocrite" comes under?
What category is he? A militant Atheist by appearance.
I think so too. I can just picture the headlines: "MILITANT ATHIEST KILLS "F-ING HYPOCRITES""
Watch out I'll need protection...
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I mean isn't it technically the "land of the free" and you can believe in whatever you want to believe in?
I got this from jerry kleins show or somewhere where Americans were saying things like "round up the Muslims" and "tatoo them, so we can tell who is a Muslim" etc etc...
For one, Muslims haven't been vocal enough against things like the September 11 attacks and the beheading of Nick Berg. The activities of CAIR (Council on American Islamic Relations) suppress the free expression of Christians. Christians are going to defend their faith.
Here is a link to an example:
http://www.christiannewswire.com/news/532013986.html
Why shouldn't Americans believe that Muslims are to Al Qaida what the German-American Bund was to Hitler in the late 1930s?
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I mean isn't it technically the "land of the free" and you can believe in whatever you want to believe in?
I got this from jerry kleins show or somewhere where Americans were saying things like "round up the Muslims" and "tatoo them, so we can tell who is a Muslim" etc etc...
For one, Muslims haven't been vocal enough against things like the September 11 attacks and the beheading of Nick Berg. The activities of CAIR (Council on American Islamic Relations) suppress the free expression of Christians. Christians are going to defend their faith.
Here is a link to an example:
http://www.christiannewswire.com/news/532013986.html
That's the problem people. They have been vocal just you don't realise this. Look up the stuff on Wikipedia on 9/11 and the effects. The reason why they "haven't been vocal" is because the media love scapegoating...first the Blacks...then the Japanese...then the Arabs...now the Muslims...
I like the Druze in Israel. They're peaceful and easy to get along with.
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The government likes it as well. That way when there's collateral damage (or just widespread carpet bombing) they can reassure the people that no innocents were killed - just a bunch of dirty evil _fill in the blank_s.
Thank you. I have corrected the spelling in my post.
What deprivation are you referring to?
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I mean isn't it technically the "land of the free" and you can believe in whatever you want to believe in?
I got this from jerry kleins show or somewhere where Americans were saying things like "round up the Muslims" and "tatoo them, so we can tell who is a Muslim" etc etc...
For one, Muslims haven't been vocal enough against things like the September 11 attacks and the beheading of Nick Berg. The activities of CAIR (Council on American Islamic Relations) suppress the free expression of Christians. Christians are going to defend their faith.
Here is a link to an example:
http://www.christiannewswire.com/news/532013986.html
That's the problem people. They have been vocal just you don't realise this.
So, they're vocal, except that no one in America realizes that they're vocal??
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How can this be?
Since September 11th, Americans have been waiting with straining ears to hear
some firm, consistent, Muslim rebukes of terrorism. But there has been only silence on that front.
Only cries of their own victimization break that silence.
(Jaw drops...) You mean you think the media are biased against Muslims?
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It could be because of people like the man in this article:
"This is what you call a success story," Revolution.Muslimpad.com said of the homicide attack, which killed six. It described al-Ajmi as a hero, a "martyrdom bomber" who sacrificed "his life for the sake of Islam."
The site is believed to be the brainchild of a 22-year-old American Samir Khan of Charlotte, N.C.
When the blog, also called "The Ignored Puzzle Pieces of Knowledge," listed its top "scholars of Islam" and people to "take knowledge from," it wasn't hard to notice that the list of 63 names contained mostly known terrorists — including Usama bin Laden and Abu Musab al-Zarqawi. The site provides links to their works, all translated into English.
Revolution.Muslimpad's sleek, modern style includes collections of the latest videos of U.S. military Humvees exploding from roadside bombs in Iraq, as well as pro-jihad messages aimed at radicalizing readers.
But terror experts say it is unique because it is written in English for a Western audience and makes accessible radical Islamic content and context found mainly on Arabic-language sites.
"This Web site is one of the premiere English-language sites promoting terrorism," said cyberterrorism expert Rabbi Abraham Cooper, associate dean of the Jewish human rights group the Wiesenthal Center.
On Thursday Cooper presented a report on Capitol Hill on the dangers Internet sites like Revolution.Muslimpad pose to young, impressionable Muslims. His report, "Digital Terrorism and Hate 2.0," references the Web site four times as an example of how Islamic extremists recruit for Al Qaeda.
Part of the Revolution.Muslimpad's power comes from the context and interpretation of the radical messages, which experts say offer dangerous inspiration.
"This guy [Khan] is plugged into the hardcore ideology that Al Qaeda espouses," said Jarret Brachman, director of research at West Point’s Combating Terrorism Center.
Brachman — who oversees the center’s research on Al Qaeda and who has been monitoring the site for two years — compared it to a "gateway drug."
"The goal is to hook people, to get more people in this country to become radicalized and see the world through the lens of Al Qaeda," Brachman said.
Sites like Revolution.Muslimpad are common in other countries, but there are a few that target American Muslim audiences, and this is "among the best," he said.
Brachman and others believe Khan is the brains behind the site. According to The New York Times, which interviewed Khan in 2007, he launched his blog in 2005 under the name "Inshallahshaheed," or "a martyr soon if God wills," from his parents’ home in Charlotte, N.C.
Khan reportedly grew up in Brooklyn, N.Y., after his parents immigrated to the U.S. from Saudi Arabia. The Times reported he comes from a middle-class family and moved toward an increasingly radical form of Islam while at college in North Carolina.
He launched his site while taking classes at a community college and during his off-hours as a knife salesman, it was reported.
Since then, the Web site has changed six times, according to Rick Eaton, senior researcher at the Wiesenthal Center. It first appeared on the U.S.-based host company WordPress and was later moved to other host companies before ending up at its current Muslimpad. The American operators of Muslimpad reportedly have since moved from Houston, Texas, to Amman, Jordan.
It's unclear if Khan operates his site alone; despite repeated attempts by FOXNews.com, he could not be reached for an interview.
In the "About Us" section, Revolution.Muslimpad describes the site as being run by a handful of "bloggers of inshallahshaheed," and says their mission is to "attempt to bring to our readers the reality on the ground in the lands of Jihad, and exposing the lies and deceptions of the disbelievers, hypocrites, and tyrannical Governments," including that of the U.S.
"Blogs offer a high level of anonymity," Eaton said, giving a blogger the ability to work incognito and to pull from multiple sources. Intelligence experts told FOXNews.com that Khan may be working with other radical Muslim bloggers based in the U.S., such as Yousef al-Khattab.
Khattab, an American citizen born with the name Joseph Cohen, runs a Web site from Queens, N.Y., that promotes terror.
Click here to read FOXNews.com's report on Yousef al-Khattab.
Khan "may not say ‘go kill an American,’ but by implication the entire ideology does demand violence," Brachman said. "And this guy is not just a consumer of this ideology, he’s a producer of it."
But Khan's messages, while incendiary, are not illegal.
"You have to protect the right to free speech," said Rep. Joe Wilson, R-S.C., who learned of the blog in a congressional briefing in 2007, when Khan warned of a "special gift" to be given to Manhattan on the sixth anniversary of the Sept. 11, 2001, terror attacks.
Wilson said the site is potentially dangerous but difficult to remove; Cooper said there is little anyone can do unless it crosses the line from "rhetoric to action."
Terrorism experts cannot confirm if any attempts have been made to bring down the site.
But Brachman warns that Khan and others like him will "always consider themselves observants of, not proponents of" violence as a way to protect themselves legally.
"They’ll say things like, ‘Hey, this is out there,’ and ‘I’m just drawing your attention to it,’ as a way to keep themselves one step removed," he said.
The size of Revolution.Muslimpad's viewership is not known, but terrorism analysts say that is of little importance in a post-Sept. 11 world.
Citing the 19 hijackers responsible for the attacks, Cooper said: "We live in a world where you don't need a mass movement to change history. You just need a few individuals to become dedicated to an idea or an ideal."
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If leaders of Muslims communities renounce terrorism, it will make the news on a major outlet.
Fox and CNN have contrary ideologies, so at least one of those networks would air the story
of Muslim leaders strongly condemning terrorism. The problem is that it just doesn't happen.
But, feel free to prove me wrong. Give me a link with a Muslim leader strongly condemning terrorism.
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I really don't have anything to do with this topic, but I couldn't help but notice Stimshieme asked a simple question, and several people started flaming her for no apparent reason. I don't like that. If you can't respond to a controversial opinion in a civil manner and without personally attacking somebody, then you should shut up. Seriously, because if you talk like that, nobody is going to give a damn about your opinion because they'll all think you're an arrogant asshat. Also, if anyone else tries to start a fight on this board like that again, I'll finish that fight. Myself. Personally. So kill the flamethrowers before I start fighting fire with fire. This is your final warning.
As for you're question, Stimshiene, personally I don't mind Muslims in general. There are several at the school I attend, and i'm pretty much neutral towards all of them. They are not my friends, but I don't hate them blindly like some do. Unfortunately, Americans have a tendency to blame the actions of a few individuals of a group on the entire group themselves. Just look at World War II. There were many Japanese Americans who fought for America, against their own bretheren no less. Some would sneak up to Japanese army officers in the Pacific and translate their orders to relay back to American military HQ. And yet we still locked them up in interment camps when unconfirmed reports of espionage came through, just because they were who they were. It was no better than the Nazi's, and we did it anyways. These same types of people who advocated for this are now advocating to keep tabs on all of Islamic America. Why? Typical American mentality: "The 9/11 terrorists were Islamic, that must mean all of Islam is simply an evil culture, and all Muslims are terrorists" Now you see why Muslims in today's America get the short end of the stick? I flatly disagree with this mentality, even though I am Caucasian Amercian myself (of course, I'm not like most Caucasian Americans. I have a larger brain, for instance.) Hopefully this will clarify things a bit.
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If leaders of Muslims communities renounce terrorism, it will make the news on a major outlet.
Fox and CNN have contrary ideologies, so at least one of those networks would air the story
of Muslim leaders strongly condemning terrorism. The problem is that it just doesn't happen.
But, feel free to prove me wrong. Give me a link with a Muslim leader strongly condemning terrorism.
There are some Muslims that voice negative opinions on it:
[youtube]http://youtube.com/watch?v=bpKrOx3ThX0[/youtube]
I only count one flamer, the first replier.
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If leaders of Muslims communities renounce terrorism, it will make the news on a major outlet.
Fox and CNN have contrary ideologies, so at least one of those networks would air the story
of Muslim leaders strongly condemning terrorism. The problem is that it just doesn't happen.
But, feel free to prove me wrong. Give me a link with a Muslim leader strongly condemning terrorism.
There are some Muslims that voice negative opinions on it:
[youtube]http://youtube.com/watch?v=bpKrOx3ThX0[/youtube]
The journalist asks, "Why did I say that this [critical-of-terrorists] statement
which most Americanis believe in was surprising? Because it came from a Muslim."
This professional journalist is surprised,
meaning that in his line of work as a news reporter,
he doesn't come across Muslims
criticizing terror very often.
Okay, that's just what I notice offhand.
Now I'll continue watching the clip...
EDIT:
...Okay, back from watching the clip now.
There have been "statements issued" from Muslim organizations,
he says.
It's almost necessary for all organizations which operate in America to give at least
occasional lip service to the majority opinion of our nation,
but I, and I believe most other Americans, are looking for more than
the minimum politically-expedient denunciations of Islamic terrorism.
And, indeed, I asked for prominent Muslims who are strongly condeming terrorism,
but I have yet to hear a single Muslim statement, as far as I can remember, to that effect.
I am all ears (or eyes, in the case of this forum) for anyone who wishes to bring to my
attention an example (preferrably, at least two) of Muslim leaders strongly condeming terrorism,
and by "strongly condeming", let me be clear: I mean saying that terrorism is never legitimate.
Can anyone show me a single Muslim leader who has done this, and point me to the quote?
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