Vaccine refusals fuel measles outbreak (Reuters)

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This idea that refusing vaccines has any benefits is unfounded and downright dangerous. I have yet to see any reliable scientific evidence that vaccines cause any ill effects.

Smallpox.

Smallpox used to kill 1 in every 7 children in Europe before vaccination.

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Ahh, so it did. But you know what? The bubonic plague virtually died out in Europe - and the rest of the world, almost - withouut the help of any vaccines, and look how many that killed.

And please remember how other childhood diseases were also prevalent and killing a lot of people at the same time as smallpox. They all - smallpox included - declined at roughly the same rate after the introduction of smallpox vaccine, the rest of them without any vaccines. Why? Because it wasn't just a magical jab that was introduced, there was vastly improved sanitation, better healthcare, better food and nutrition, things like refrigeration coming in, safer transport, understanding of how diseases are spread, vast improvements in hygiene etc etc.

Pardon my language, but to take any extremist side in this argument is completely BS. No, vaccinations are not 100% safe and there are side effects, but it is also completely ludicrous to claim that they have had no impact in the eradication of disease and are ineffective against them. It's funny how the anti-vaccine argument has crumbled over time. At first it was "it causes autism disorders and is useless against disease," and now the first one went out the window (honestly, it there's a mercury you need to worry about, stop eating the dangerous methyl mercury in fish before whining about vaccines). Forget all the luddite statistics in the world, take two people, give one a smallpox vaccination, and see what what fares better when exposed to the disease.

Here's a decent source about the measles, mumps, and rubella vaccinations:

http://mrw.interscience.wiley.com/cochr ... frame.html

From studying my own sources, I agree with the medical community that the good outweighs the bad.

I'm just tired of this debate where mainstreamists battle hippy luddites; vaccines aren't completely harmless, but most reputable sources would tell you that the good outweighs the bad. Let's stop taking extremists sides and look at the big picture.

And pardon my language, but

1 - Don't call me a hippy luddite
2 - The debate over whether vaccines are effective OR safe started long before Wakefield published his findings; there are articles raising that question in medical journals as far back as the mid-1800s. This isn't something new, it isn't something on the fringe - there are plenty of mainstream and extremely highly qualified doctors saying they aren't worth the risk - and it isn't something to do with extremism (nice little word that, isn't it? Very emotive in this current climate...).
3 - Nobody is taking an extremist side anyway. I'm saying they aren't safe and they don't work. I do my research, and a lot of it, I read the papers, I study the facts, and I don't take anything anyone says - on either side of the debate - as true without first looking into the background and into how they reached their conclusions, be it by science or coercion. You're more than welcome to go and take your little jabs, just don't put them anywhere near me or my children and don't you dare ever try and force them on me with legislation.

It's an interesting thought to be honest. I have read recently someone putting forward the idea that - given the way Codex is being pushed forward with its plans to limit the dosages and numbers of vitamins, mineral, and other 'alternative' supplements and therapies available, and the plans now for all produce to be irradiated - they wouldn't be surprised if they were operating both sides, i.e. take the vaccine and all the toxins and contaminants it contains, or don't take it but don't have available to you any of the natural items that would boost your immune system and wait for them to unleash whatever the next major plague is. Vile, dispicable thought but given what the Rockefellers have been widely documented as saying, it wouldn't surprise me.



As for those going on about the Polio vaccine, I would seriously urge you to look into the background of the approval process, and how they're made. Vaccines cannot be sterilised by their very nature, and are loaded with contaminants from several breeds of wild-caught monkeys from several continents.

To quote the FDA in 1997: "The discovery in 1960 that a DNA tumour virus, designated simian virus 40 (SV40), was an inadvertent contaminant of rhesus monkey cells, and consequently of the poliovirus and adenovirus vaccines made in these cells, was a watershed event in vaccine development..."

And with that in mind, how would this make you feel?

"On February 27, 1950, Koprowski* tested his experimental polio vaccine on an eight-year-old boy from Letchworth Village, New York. When he suffered no apparent ill-effects, Koprowski enlarged his experiment to include 19 more children. He then decided to weaken his poliovirus some more by 'passaging' it through 20 living mouse brains. In 1951 he safety tested the result on 61 'mentally ret*d' children in the Sonoma State Home. It was apparently considered ethically fine to thus experiment on children."
- From 'Fear Of The Invisible', by Janine Roberts

Or that...

"[Some] scientists were very worried. They pointed out how unwise it was to use monkey kidneys [in the manufacture of vaccines], since this organ naturally collects toxins, and presumably viruses. Kidenys remove these by putting them into urine. They said this urine is certain to have gone with the kidneys into the vaccine cultures and thus into the unpurified vaccine doses ...

When [Dr Jonas] Salk was 'safety trialling' his 'killed virus' polio vaccine in 1954, by testing it on 2 million American cihldren, with parents volunteering their children, so eager were they for their children to be protected; [Dr Bernice] Eddy** was still carrying out the necessary polio vaccine safety tests in her laboratory. This work should have been done beforehand, but the rush to get the vaccine out had left her behind. She was thus horrified when she discovered that monkeys were paralysed when she injected them with the polio vaccine. It was far too late to discover this. It had already been injected into hundreds of thousands of American children."



* Hilary Koprowski, vaccine 'pioneer'
** Scientist in charge of the US govt safety-testing lab at the time

Yes, that is exactly the truth, they operate BOTH sides of the coins.. at least that is what they want, I mean it wouldnt be absolute power for them to only operate one side of the coin. . they are well known enough to demand nothing less than absolute power.. So do what you feel is right. . they plan our weddings and our funerals already.. so all you can do really is think outside the box.. choose to search for an alternative in every aspect of life. . not to go off topic but I don't drive a car, I dont eat fast food, I dont shop at major retailers.. not anymore.. and Im okay with shrinking my life to not serve them, but I doubt it will make no difference in the scheme of things.. the only step further i could take is to stop paying my illegal income tax. you have no legal obligation to pay tax for you labour earnings.. yet look at the economy.. what happened to the middle class?.. i dont see it anymore.. i want my godamn money back

No, you're bang on the money there. I don't drive, I eat only whole organic foods (locally grown) and make everything from scratch, and my clothes are all either fair trade, from ethical shops, or second-hand. But like you, I doubt this will make much difference in the long term!! But if enough people do it, maybe it might be enough to swing things on some kind of other level... wishful thinking, but I do know they won't succeed!

Heyy cool.. I just want to let you know though, since you participate in the same ways I do, be careful of 'ethical' shops..they usualy arent that 'ethical'.. for instance you know the GoodWill second hand store, orr.. ahh i forget the names.. but yeah they are illuminati owned so be careful.. The Illuminati go after places of influence.. thats what you watch out for. Dont be intrigued because it says they represend a good cause, and dont donate to charities because its the right thing to do.. there is just too many lies out there for you to waste your money on something you know nothing about.. we are not rich people, and we should not donate to charities out of interest, because soo many charities are owned by the Rockefellers.. its sick.. my favorite words, Charity starts at home, and we have to take care of ourselves first, before we are able to take care of someone else.. its liek raising a child, you're not ready until you're ready.. Ahah, ther ei go.

I needa start buying from farmers markets.. I still use grocery stores for my food, cause i havent found a way to switch to anything else.