EU wants to ban 'sexist' TV commercials

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My late father fought in the desert rats to keep Britain free from European domination.
His efforts and those of his many dead comrades have been wasted thanks to traitors like Ted Heath and Tony Blair. Both of them signing our rights away to fill their own greedy pockets.

Yeah!

WHo else really hates Everybody Loves Raymond for just this reason?

Actually, morality has a natural logic, as Kohlberg's research showed. What happens in these debates is that not everyone has the same information. I think if scientists could demonstrate that "x" is generally harmful, most people would agree to take it out of the public sphere, though they might grumble if it cramped their personal style.

Artistic standards - I agree. But I don't think they're debating modern versus pop-art versus ?

Complaining does work, some of the time. But some of the time you plug one leak in the dam and ten more spring up. So then you need standards across the board.

Yes, I agree with you, however, even the allies commited war crimes, however minor, we can't deny that. War crimes are committed by almost everyone. My point was, Nazi Germany would've ruled the world today if it wasn't for the USSR. The allies alone wouldn't have been successful.

This proposal is an EU-restricted law, and I don't think we have the right to interfere. We should leave it up to the people of Europe to decide for themselves. Of course, if there were no restrictions in the first place, nudity would have been rampant on the tube. I'm personally against depicting women as sex objects, it sends the wrong signals. Stereotyping is a different issue altogether.

You meant the USSR that signed a non-aggression pact with Hitler and was happy to split Poland with him up until he invaded them? What is your point here? The USSR was an evil power that we were forced to ally with out of convenience, I happen to wish there had been another way. As for Nazi Germany ruling the world, maybe instead of a thriving nation where Germany now stands there would by a field of black glass, but the Nazis would have fallen, one way or the other.



Now you are changing the terms of the debate, no one is suggesting any form of interference, we just think it's a supremely bad idea. If the people of Europe want to take another step down that road that's paved with a certain kind of intentions, that's their business, but I'm going to mock them for it every step of the way. Given that their right to determine such things for themselves was purchased in part with American blood, I think at the least I have the right to comment.

What you are personally against shouldn't matter, don't watch what you don't like. It's this kind of "we don't like it so YOU shouldn't be allowed to watch it" crap that bother me, especially when it comes at the state level. I don't care if it's the Muslims and their Danish cartoonist, the Jews and Mel Gibson, or the Pope and his crucified frog, if you don't like something, avoid it, but don't impose your creed on others.

That goes for you too, Dox! Why don't you keep your political views to yourself from now on?

From what I remember the UK is considered part of Europe, but I can not bring myself to refer to myself as "European" I'll stick with English or British, thank you very much

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That's a matter of opinion. We Muslims consider the USA as a more evil power. I could talk about what you don't know regarding the two world wars, but you'd probably consider me as being a blasphemous conspiracy theorist. Sure, the Nazi Empire would've fallen, all great nations fall, but not during our lifetime. Hitler was too powerful a leader.

Face it, the world hates your country. Nobody cares about what you did over half a century ago. My countrymen, as part of the British Empire, also fought in the war, in North Africa and Italy. The casualty rates were as high as 50%. Do we brag about it?



Exactly. Don't impose your creed on others. If sexist commercials are aired, isn't that exactly what's happening? Think about it. Both views are two sides of the same coin.



The EU is an attempt at creating a world state. First the EU, then the AU, then the North American Union, then the South, then Asian, etc...all will be combined to create a world state. Your country, which once controlled the biggest chunk of the world, will no longer exist in less than half a century.

I'm not the one mandating that my views be imposed upon others, that is in fact what I'm opposing. Who has the authority and right to say that their version of decency is the correct one? I say no one does, and that governments have the least credibility of all in this arena.

I say more sex on TV and less violence.

Why do you consider the USA more evil? The USSR was officially an atheist nation, and oppressed millions of Muslims in it's satellite states, as well as the atrocities inflicted on the Afghans. We gave billions of dollars during the 80's to help kick the Soviets out of said Muslim nation, only to have our own largess turned on us later when the political winds changed. My country, like every other country out there, acts in it's own best interests, or what it thinks they are, not always what is the best for everyone. Because we've been at the top of the world pecking order for so long, people want to hold us to this higher standard, like other countries don't ever screw each other over for their own ends. I'm not saying that makes it right, but that everyone's hands are dirty in that respect.

What exactly do you think I don't know about WWII? I also might ask what you think disqualifies me from knowing whatever it is that you think you know, being an American, White, educated, I can't possibly know things that people in the Third World do? There is no such thing as "reverse discrimination", only discrimination.

As to Hitler, he would have fallen regardless, he could not have resisted the combined might of the rest of the world. His own people were plotting to kill him at one point and contacted British Intelligence for guidance. They said to leave him in place because if he was killed someone who was competent might take over! So much for such a powerful leader...



Well, that's a problem, people should care. We didn't need to do what we did, but it was the right thing to do. We don't need to do a lot of the things we do around the world, famine and disaster relief and feeding the hungry and humanitarian aid, but all people focus on is the negatives. Even in Iraq we've done a lot of good, but all you ever see on the news is the body count and doom and gloom about the insurgency, it gets old after a while. People hate us no matter what we do, they hate us for not stopping genocide in Africa, they hate us for stopping one in Kosovo, they hate us simply for being Americans. As far as "bragging" about the US contribution to WWII, it's not bragging, it's reminding, as some seem to have forgotten.



No, because you are not being forced to watch them. There is a big difference between allowance and force.

Kahn Sama's right.

About what? I'll concede that many Muslims hate America, but not much else. You really ought to be more specific, unless you are just raising your post count.

Kahn Sama is right about the US being corrupt. If you can't admit that about your own country you're in trouble as far as being a whore of its military-industrial complex goes.

Seriously, do you even read the posts, or just skim? No insult implied, just curious, as this is not the first time I've seen you seem to miss information that has already been posted in the thread.

Firstly, this thread is not about whether or not the US is corrupt, it's about the EU adopting more and more ridiculous laws. It got a bit side tracked because I used some over the top hyperbole and some people took it personally.

Secondly, by who's measure is the USA corrupt? According to Tranparancy International the USA sits at #20 on their global corruption index, as opposed to say India, which at #72, is tied with China. Here's the map:

Darker red is more corrupt.

I'd like to say that we are #1, but we aren't perfect, and a melting pot culture like ours never can be, it's our greatest strength and greatest weakness. Notice that I've never claimed perfection, and have gone to great lengths in my posts on this thread to stress the imperfections of my country.

Thirdly, as far as whoring goes, at least the armaments industry pays well, the church makes you give away the goods for free...

Only as long as it's off-camera. Putting sex in someone's job description is just plain abusive: You wanna earn a living, honey? This is what ya gotta do.

Have you tried acting? Taken any acting classes? Auditioned for anything? You wouldn't last long if you had to do it. Most people wouldn't. It's creepy and disgusting. Euww!

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On the subject of Americans versus the rest of the world: It is unfortunate that so many Americans are so unaware of the rest of the world and how it thinks. This came up years ago in a high IQ Yahoo group I was in, in the period leading up to the invasion of Iraq. It wasn't so much that people disagreed with what the proper solution was, but that the Americans who had never lived outside the country or travelled outside it much or followed foreign media didn't even understand what the rest of us were saying. I'll repeat this: far too many Americans don't even understand what the rest of us are talking about. When you spend too much time in your own little world, you miss what's going on. Very sad.