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11 Dec 2008, 10:30 am

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What is it that you believe in? Make a positive statement instead of a negative one, an affirmation instead of condemnation. How about that, atheism?

I believe in me. Everyone and everything else has been a disappointment.

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11 Dec 2008, 10:36 am

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What a load of crap. Religionists can post holiday signs and have bumper stickers that say offensive things like "Real men love Jesus" (as if all buddhist, hindu, taoist, and other non-christian males aren't "real men") but when someone wants to present something that conflicts with the religionists ideas they flip out. Organized religion is a sham. Why do you think there is so much pedophilia in the churches? Why do you think Islamic Terrorists kill in the name off Allah? Why do you think Zionist Jews kill and steel palestinian land? If these people actually practiced what they preached there wouldn't be that kind of violence. But alas, religionists will always find a way to hide behind their dogmatic beliefs when someone points the finger at them.

It's your faith in people that's lacking. Your misanthropy taints your view of everything except science, and that's only because science is not about people. Facts and information and equations and theorems, these will never let you down. But people can. And that's why you conflate your hatred of people with hatred of religion. And of yourself.

Like most atheists I've come across, you're probably a very unhappy individual.

What a nice post. First, I am NOT an atheist. And I even think that many atheists are just as bad as the religionists. Second, even though I would take science over religious dogma, science is nowhere near accurate. Third, I am NOT a misanthrope. The majority of people I meet I either like or don't mind. Fourth, I just think that the ORGANIZED RELIGIOUS SYSTEM is bad and causes trauma throughout the world. Most of my friends are practicing christians or jews and I have no problem at all with moderate practicioners of religion. I don't know what the hell you have against me but I've realized that recently you have been heckling many posts I make. I am very sorry if I offended you and your dogmatic superstitious religious views, but we all have the right to believe what we want. If christians can have signs that say "Real men love Jesus" why can't atheists put up signs claiming the opposite? Why can't satanists have signs that say "Heil Satan"??

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11 Dec 2008, 10:37 am

slowmutant wrote:

Like most atheists I've come across, you're probably a very unhappy individual.

that's because religion for most is a scapegoat, if you're too weak to manage something on your own it always helps to have someone sharing the load, even if that someone is an imaginary friend or imaginary belief.

you seem to think believing in god makes you happy no matter what, i once went through a stage of asking god for help and praying and guess what? i felt worse for it.

if you have a question it's always nice to have an answer, even if that answer is 'god loves you'. but then again, who's to say (if god exists) that he loves any of us? wasn't it man who said everything god's supposed to have said? couldn't those men have been lying?

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11 Dec 2008, 10:47 am

familiar_stranger wrote:

slowmutant wrote:

Like most atheists I've come across, you're probably a very unhappy individual.

Have you been lied to?

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11 Dec 2008, 10:51 am

slowmutant wrote:

Have you been lied to?

you don't understand my point, what i was reffering to was the bible being written by humans and so humans had a say in it whereas god didn't, if god happened to speak to some people and get them to write the bible, who's to say they didn't change it? (in other words if god does exist the bible may still be a pack of lies).

Religion (lies)

here's something i found online, it may be a parody meant for humour alone but it states a few valid points.

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11 Dec 2008, 11:21 am

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the bible being written by humans and so humans had a say in it whereas god didn't, if god happened to speak to some people and get them to write the bible, who's to say they didn't change it

I ask the same questions you ask. I wrestle with these enigmas, as well. I'm always engaging my doubts and uncertainties. The Bible (among other holy books) is all we have to go by. The one I use is a large-print New International Version Bible, and I'm always curious about the unpleasant things attributed to God in the Old Testament.

And then there's the Book of Job, which is a real head-scratcher. If God is good and benevolent and all that, why would He torture Jobe like that? The book says Jobe was a rightoues man who who was very religious, loved God, but he was made to lose his health, his family, his home, his livelihood. God took all of that from him, apparently as part of a wager He made with the devil. (! !!)

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11 Dec 2008, 1:05 pm

slowmutant wrote:

For example ...

Vegetarians should simply extoll the virtues of vegetarianism and explain the health benefits instead of condemning people for eating meat and telling us how we're such horrible people, and so on. You can catch more flies with honey than with vinegar, as the old saying goes.

Actually, the old saying is mistaken.

Try the experiment for yourself. Put out a bowl of balsamic vinegar, and a bowl of honey. You'll find more flies in the bowl of vinegar.

Pots also boil even if you watch them like a hawk.

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11 Dec 2008, 7:49 pm

slowmutant wrote:

What is it that you believe in? Make a positive statement instead of a negative one, an affirmation instead of condemnation. How about that, atheism?

Dude.... we get it, you THINK that people who don't have a religion don't have any morals. Everyone one else is TELLING you that is not true.

Being good to other people is common sense. Atheists believe in what is here, now, and what has happened in history, its not really a matter of 'believing'. I don't 'believe' that most wars where caused by religious hatred, I KNOW that they are true due to documented history.

Why is it that you think that everyone needs something to believe in?

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11 Dec 2008, 8:37 pm

So, to summarize the article, these people are using their freedom of expression and freedom to protest in order to protest another group of people's freedom of expression and freedom to protest.

That's just nonsensical, no matter what the issue is.

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