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29 Dec 2008, 5:05 pm

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The operative words in the above post are "I see". Humor is such a subjective thing, no one can really make a blanket declaration of whether or not something is funny, it's always subject to individual taste. Making jokes about something like this may be in poor taste, but that doesn't mean that the situation itself isn't funny in any way. I, for example, don't think that Will Ferrel is at all funny, others would disagree with me, but I don't think that finding Will Ferrel funny means that there is anything wrong with somebody, just that they have a different concept of what's funny. I (obviously) have a very dark sense of humor, as do many other people, and I don't think that there is anything wrong with that.


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29 Dec 2008, 5:10 pm

Finding humor in the death and suffering of others is sadistic behavior.



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29 Dec 2008, 5:25 pm

Fnord wrote:
Finding humor in the death and suffering of others is sadistic behavior.


You're misinterpreting me, I'm not laughing at suffering, I'm laughing at the ridiculous manner in which someone chose to commit a crime, there is a difference. If the guy had just kicked in the door and started shooting up his ex's Christmas party, I wouldn't be laughing. It's the fact that he went to the trouble of acquiring a Santa costume and constructing a homemade flamethrower concealed in a phony present that tickles my funny bone. Given that he had everything all set up to flee the country afterword, it would seem that he planned on being recognized and so didn't wear the suit as some sort of disguise, but simply for the dramatic effect. That the suit melted onto his body and caused horrific burns only adds irony, since he might have gotten away with his plan if he hadn't chosen such a dramatic method as costumed flamethrowery for his attack.


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29 Dec 2008, 5:49 pm

What makes this so un-funny is the carnage, gore and death. Without these horrible elements, it might have been a funny story. Murder & mayhem are just not funny. Anyone who gets a chuckle from stories like this is despicable.

Dox, I doubt the families of Santa's victims have much to chortle about. They have to bury their loved ones.

Ha ha?

Not really.



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29 Dec 2008, 5:52 pm

Dox47 wrote:
Fnord wrote:
Finding humor in the death and suffering of others is sadistic behavior.

You're misinterpreting me, I'm not laughing at suffering, I'm laughing at the ridiculous manner in which someone chose to commit a crime, there is a difference.

That anyone would find any humor at all in this despicable crime is both abhorrent and reprehensible.



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29 Dec 2008, 6:34 pm

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I knew the victims. They were good people.

Oh wow. I'm sorry. :(

Dox47 wrote:
I (obviously) have a very dark sense of humor, as do many other people, and I don't think that there is anything wrong with that.

There are limits of taste when it comes to laughing at people dying.


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29 Dec 2008, 7:52 pm

I'm starting feel like I'm banging my head into a brick wall here, but I'm stubborn, so I'll try again. I'm not laughing at suffering, death, or anything else like that; I'm laughing at a criminal with an over-developed sense of the dramatic that leads to his own demise. No one, and I mean no one, gets to dictate what is and isn't funny to anyone else, even if they have a personal tragedy. Notice that I haven't even made any jokes or anything about this incident, merely pointed out the absurdity of the premise. That is because I have respect for other people's feelings, and wouldn't want to cause anyone further pain by mocking their loss. That respect however, stops well short of self censorship when it comes to pointing out the inherent humor of a bizarre situation, regardless of how tragic it is. My family is Jewish and I joke about the Holocaust, I lost my father less than a year ago and I joke about that, it's just how I am and I won't be ashamed of it, certainly not by people on an AS board that should know better.


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29 Dec 2008, 8:16 pm

I believe that your premise is false; that he had overly-developed sense of the dramatic. For several years, a neighbor, who was out of town this year, had played Santa at their yearly parties. Pardo would have known this. I can only visualize a little girl standing by a living room picture window, excitedly seeing an expected Santa coming up the front walk, and running to answer the door when she hears Santa knock. She will never recover from a semi-automatic gun blast point-blank to her face from Santa.

There was a reason why network TV didn't even have comedy shows on after a certain tragedy here in the US. It's shocking, and it takes time to incorporate the event into reality. It truly is disrespectful, and you can make up any excuse you like. Being AS does not give you the right to walk over other people's feelings. As has been pointed out, someone here knew this family. That alone should be enough to stop you from your hurtful behavior. Your timing is horrible and insensitive. At this time, it is not a subject for humor (and the Holocaust will never be).



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29 Dec 2008, 8:20 pm

Dox47 wrote:
I'm starting feel like I'm banging my head into a brick wall here, but I'm stubborn, so I'll try again. I'm not laughing at suffering, death, or anything else like that; I'm laughing at a criminal with an over-developed sense of the dramatic that leads to his own demise.

My bad, I should have been more specific:
twoshots should have wrote:
There are limits of taste when it comes to laughing in the general direction of people dying.


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(and the Holocaust will never be).

Oh on the contrary. On the contrary. And 9/11 is already funny. But while a million people dead is a statistic, 9 dead is a tragedy.


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29 Dec 2008, 8:35 pm

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On the contrary. And 9/11 is already funny. But while a million people dead is a statistic, 9 dead is a tragedy.

Between nine and eleven million people died in Shoah. But, hey, what's a few million lives? And no, 9/11 is not funny. Bet you think Stalin was a peach, too (now go look that one up and be sure to check out the numbers).



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29 Dec 2008, 8:43 pm

People doing stuff like this and others finding it funny are why I dislike and distrust most of humanity. It's terrible for the family and friends of those people.



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29 Dec 2008, 8:46 pm

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On the contrary. And 9/11 is already funny. But while a million people dead is a statistic, 9 dead is a tragedy.

Between nine and eleven million people died in Shoah. But, hey, what's a few million lives?

And many times over that died in China under Mao, or in thousand year old Chinese peasant rebellions. My tears aren't going to bring them back.
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And no, 9/11 is not funny. Bet you think Stalin was a peach, too (now go look that one up and be sure to check out the numbers).

Humor is the sole and only appropriate response when faced with enormity, helplessness, and stupidity. Countless jokes abound about death, and not out of shadenfreude and dissociation.


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29 Dec 2008, 8:57 pm

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I'm starting feel like I'm banging my head into a brick wall here, but I'm stubborn, so I'll try again. I'm not laughing at suffering, death, or anything else like that; I'm laughing at a criminal with an over-developed sense of the dramatic that leads to his own demise. No one, and I mean no one, gets to dictate what is and isn't funny to anyone else, even if they have a personal tragedy. Notice that I haven't even made any jokes or anything about this incident, merely pointed out the absurdity of the premise. That is because I have respect for other people's feelings, and wouldn't want to cause anyone further pain by mocking their loss. That respect however, stops well short of self censorship when it comes to pointing out the inherent humor of a bizarre situation, regardless of how tragic it is. My family is Jewish and I joke about the Holocaust, I lost my father less than a year ago and I joke about that, it's just how I am and I won't be ashamed of it, certainly not by people on an AS board that should know better.


You should know better.



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29 Dec 2008, 9:02 pm

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Humor is the sole and only appropriate response when faced with enormity, helplessness, and stupidity.

I disagree. Contemplation as to cause is an appropriate response. Humor within may occur, but never where it can hurt those afflicted. That sort of humor is intensely personal.



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29 Dec 2008, 9:16 pm

It's easy to laugh at death when it's no one you know.



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29 Dec 2008, 10:00 pm

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I for one am done defending my sense of humor to people, I was born with it and I won't apologize for it. I think that being able to see the humor in tragedy is a pretty common Aspie trait, and that if anything it should be considered a positive trait, not something to be ashamed of.

Even the most self righteous members here have to acknowledge that a man deciding that the best way to get revenge on his ex is to don a Santa costume and wield a home made flame thrower concealed in a fake "gift" is some pretty humorous imagery, even if the reality is truly tragic. It's not the deaths that are funny, it's the thought process behind it that would think up such a plan, let alone execute it. Add in that evil Santas are a horror and comedy staple, and how can you blame people for chuckling first when they see the headline about a flamethrower spraying bad Santa? It's so demented that you can hardly believe it actually happened, it really does seem straight out of a movie.

And just a little FYI for any not so swift members thinking of responding, I will be reporting any personal attacks in this thread, since I've grown tired of the hit and run sniping.


There is absolutely nothing humorous whatsoever in this at all, and my aspie son agrees fully. So do the other aspies I know. I'm all for black humor and finding the humor in almost everything, but there are some things for which any bit of humor at all simply doesn't fit and isn't appropriate, and this is one of them. Yes, I CAN "blame people who chuckle first" because there's nothing funny whatsoever in it. And please spare me the "you just don't understand humor" BS. I admit I've found some sick humor in sick stuff before, but never like this.


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