'Gaza vs Israel' An interesting article I found.

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it's interesting that it doesn't show the parts of Egypt held between '67 and the 80's.

Either you support Palestine's right to exist or you do not. I you do then you must also support their right to resist Israeli invasion. It's not like Israel just dropped out of the sky one day in 1947 next to some place called Palestine. It was created through a process where Palestinian land was settled by Western Jews. And for the Palestinians, every settlement reperesents an outpost of invasion.

I find it disgusting how the politicians in my country fall all over themselves to endorse Israel. They make themselves out to be some sort of tolerant, "enlightened" saviour of the Jewish people when it was not that long ago that they, viciously anti-semetic in their own right, had barriers in place preventing the immigration of Jewish refugees fleeing German persecution. The Jews in Israel today are simply being used as a prop by the United States against Arab nations.

Obtaining territory as "spoils of war" is not against international law. That is why national defense and alliances are so important.

Israel did just drop out of the sky one day in 1947 because the Ottoman Empire was a loser in WW2. Israel was created in the British Mandate as part of their surrender. All of the Palestinians were killed by Syria in 700 BC. When the British mandate was issued, the inhabitants of Israel were Jewish, Syrian, and Jordanian. The idea that Palestine is resisting an Israeli invasion is inaccurate revisionist history. If Palestine wanted to exist as a country, it would not attack its more powerful neighbor and call for its destruction.

I am as impartial to this issue as you can get, and I would like to ask just one question. Why does Hamas refuse to accept the right of Israel to exist?

Wow, this post is wildly inaccurate!

First, the Ottoman Empire hadn't existed for decades in 1947. The partitioning of the Ottoman Empire occurred in 1917 at the end of World War One and the Ottoman sultanate was officially abolished in 1922 after the War of Turkish Independence.

Second, the state of Israel was not created by the British Mandate for Palestine. Israel was created by the UN Partition Act of 1947. It did mark the point when the indigenous population lost its self-determination.

Third, the point about the Palestinians being killed in ancient times is not relevant to the discussion. We are discussing modern events. The modern usage of the term Palestinian refers to the indigenous, Arab population that was living in the area that was called Palestine. The modern, indigenous population of Palestine at the time of the Mandate was overwhelming Arab.

The indigenous, Jewish population living in Palestine at the time was also Orthodox and Sephardic, quite unlike the mostly Ashkenazi population that lives there today. The majority of the growth in the Jewish population during the British Mandate can be accounted for by immigration, spurred on by the anti-Semitic policies of the Western nations at the time.

Not at all unlike the genocide of indigenous North Americans, the history of modern Israel is very much one of Western invasion and settlement of stolen land. And just like in those times, crude acts of resistance to this invasion are used to build support for further aggression and land grabbing.

There's always people who choose sides in the whole "Israelis vs. Palestinians" debate. They've been fighting for longer than anyone can remember, and each side is guilty of plenty of things. Even at times when Israel ceases fire for a long period of time, Palestine will still attack. So really, no matter what kind of agreements or "trusts" are made, someone is going to break it, and war will continue.

I agree. Even the BBC's reportings have a Palestinian bias.

The Palestinians kill people.
The Israelis kill people.

This is an age old conflict and I wish people would stop holding the Israelis solely responsible.

I don't think anyone thinks Israel is 100% responsible for what's going on now. The Palestinians are stupid for putting a crappy little tract of land over the safety of their families, they are stupid for voting in a party that is based on destroying Israel, and they are stupid for starting up missile attacks again.

However, as with most fights, it's usually looked on as being the responsibility of the "bigger" opponent to stop. If a 13-year-old scrawny kid started kicking a 6-foot 300-pound muscle man, that man should probably restrain the kid and call the police. However if that man instead starts beating the kid to a pulp, breaking his arms and blocks him from getting medical care, at that point we would probably say he is in the wrong.

Israel has billions of dollars of more sophisticated weapons than Gaza. They are kicking the crap out of Gaza, and even bombing the refugee camps at this point. They have the power to stop, let relief efforts get in, and let the UN send in a peace-keeping mission. They have the power to negotiate an acceptable truce for both sides. But to see the fighting continue, day after day, with no attempts at diplomacy is just sad.

here is a link to maps showing the progression in each war ect:

http://www.unitedjerusalem.com/HISTORIC ... istory.asp

The UN peace keepers do not help to keep Israels northern border safe. How would they help Israel in Gaza?
BTW, Israels Ministry of Foreign Affairs is sending relief supplies to Gaza through the Rafah Crossing even though Israels Military is attacking elsewhere.

Immigration or not, the creation of Israel was the outcome of a civil war. The graphic posted previously is incorrect, Arabs did not inherently have rights to the land of Israel any more than Jews. Both were free, before 1948, to buy land as they would. Arabs sold their land to jews willingly, but Jews lived more in dense urban areas, hence the small areas of white on the map.

They need to change the name of "Israel" to "Rothschildland".

There are no real agreements. The last attempt to broker a comprehensive agreement collapsed in 2000 at the Camp David Summit. The sticking point there was over the 'right of return.'

Much diss-information here. Don't fall into the trap of "proportionality". And, check who actually signed what when talking about "International Laws". You may be surprised. And, if you feel like doing some investigating, look into the "Arab-Palestinian" problem prior to 1917. Palestinians have historically gotten the shaft. Maybe they should start listening to someone else.

The "obvious" solution that springs to mind is for Israel to deploy a bunch of truck mounted Phalanx guns in the appropriate places. It's good enough for the US Army, and it's not like the area needing protection is all that large.

...but I guess there's some good reason for them to be struggling to develop more complicated interceptor missiles instead. Perhaps the rockets are on too high a trajectory or something.