Autism test 'could hit maths skills'

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07 Jan 2009, 7:51 pm

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This is the reply I wrote to the BBC. I wonder if they will publish it.

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I have Asperger's Syndrome. I find it disturbing that anybody would consider aborting someone who is like me. Abortion is a silent supremacist movement where undesirable people are exterminated before birth.


My wife observed last night that a world of only NTs, where there is no one with any psychological conditions whatsoever, would be like the book "Brave New World". It would be a society without creativity, imagination, or variety, and a society of :salut: conformists. There would be no breakthroughs, just sameness all the time.


It's funny you should mention Brave New World, because that's what I thought as soon as I started reading. Everyone would be so bland if we started eliminating every little thing.

First, we get rid of ASDs. Next, maybe we'll start attacking personality disorders. So, how long until everyone is some stuffed suit?

Here's the comment I left. I hope they put it up because I know a lot of sites screen and only put up the comments they feel like and if they get a lot of negative comments, they don't bother:

"As a person with Aspergers Syndrome, I find this appalling. Are we to become a Brave New World society where every perceived "defect" is eliminated? After autistic spectrum disorders are purged from the human gene pool, what will we get rid of next? What will our final result be?"



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07 Jan 2009, 8:17 pm

I cringed when I read it. If we begin to destroy children because they have autism, then I am forced to wonder what else we will destroy? It could chance humaninity as we know it.

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If reducing the testosterone in a foetus helped that baby's future social development, we would all be delighted.


WE would be delighted? Sorry mate, not me.



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07 Jan 2009, 9:19 pm

The angle of this article sucks. The only reason not to mess with your child's hormones is so society can have people with math skills? Oh no, if everyone has a dumb popular kid, whose research will we exploit for our eugenic project?! :lol:

Sorry if I missed the point of the article, I just got so mad whenever I tried to read it.



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07 Jan 2009, 9:53 pm

The test is crude, and the insinuation of this article is sexist.

So, the test is to eliminate male embryo's, which doesn't even work anyways. If the family already has a strong history of autism, then there is absolutely no guarantee that any female child won't have autism. And then what, they sue? Because the female child wasn't "perfect"? Why the hell are these people so hell-bent on having a "normal" child anyways? Are they ashamed of their autistic kids?

And apparently, according to the article, girls can't excel in math. The message is simple: no boys= compromised math skills.

Damn, this is all a whole load of stupid.



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07 Jan 2009, 10:50 pm

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The test is crude, and the insinuation of this article is sexist.

So, the test is to eliminate male embryo's, which doesn't even work anyways. If the family already has a strong history of autism, then there is absolutely no guarantee that any female child won't have autism. And then what, they sue? Because the female child wasn't "perfect"? Why the hell are these people so hell-bent on having a "normal" child anyways? Are they ashamed of their autistic kids?

And apparently, according to the article, girls can't excel in math. The message is simple: no boys= compromised math skills.

Damn, this is all a whole load of stupid.

What is so brilliant about the whole thing is although they will have one less autistic child, for each one less they will almost certainly have a few more autistic grandchildren. You really could not make it up, could you?

As for their ignorance, let them have it.



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08 Jan 2009, 12:50 am

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And apparently, according to the article, girls can't excel in math. The message is simple: no boys= compromised math skills.


They must have been reading my report then. But yes, it is true, they do stress that point throughout the article.



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08 Jan 2009, 8:54 pm

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I'm kinda sick of hearing about Einstein and that handful of other aspie superstars. For every one of them, there's a hundred thousand other aspies, plain ordinary aspies.

It sometimes seems like we're viewed as sort of a cattle industry, kept alive because some of us provide intellectual and artistic meat for those others who really matter.


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I am an average aspie. If there was a fetal cull based on IQ, never mind autism, I would have been eliminated on that alone. Has anyone ever wondered why the sperm banks want men who are very tall, bright and well educated? (Not all these characters make great kids, and oh dear, you might be disappointed, especially after paying out all that money for designer ejaculate, or even donor eggs.)

Did you ever wonder why adoptive parents want Chinese babies so much? People actually think they are smarter than children from other cultures. I do not believe this, but some parents do not want to leave anything to chance. Many parents would rather not have to worry about a baby with negative genetic baggage, and want the child to eventually be able to go to university, win a Nobel Prize, and be a billionaire business person who is successful in politics and law. High IQ babies have more potential than a kid who just might grow up to be a successful trades person with a college education. Just damned dysfunctional, and living through your children. 8O


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08 Jan 2009, 9:14 pm

Here are the responses the BBC decided to publish. None of our comments made it. :evil:


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08 Jan 2009, 9:45 pm

Having your say...eating your words?

I think they are still accepting comments, but after having read the ones there I decided not to include mine.

As long as parents see their future child as an investment, and because of limiting family size, I think there will be a demand for such testing, and people will pay. :evil:


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08 Jan 2009, 10:02 pm

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Here are the responses the BBC decided to publish. None of our comments made it. :evil:

Are you sure, the ones at the top atm look pretty much all on our side...



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08 Jan 2009, 10:16 pm

I was referring to the comments posted in here by people who also replied to the BBC. The responses were largely pro-autism and this one was my favorite:

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If the ability of detecting and eradicating autism had existed a thousand years ago the world would now be a very different place. There would be no Newton, Mozart, Beethoven or even Einstein. If fact I very much doubt that society would have developed to the point at which, ironically, it could detect and eradicate autism.
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09 Jan 2009, 1:31 am

I'm not surprised they didn't post mine. I even gave them a last initial and what state I'm in as an act of good faith (whereas a few "anons" made it on).

Jerks.

If I would have said "as a parent of a person with asperger's", I bet they'd have posted it. What do you think? Is the BBC another organization that doesn't want us to talk?



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09 Jan 2009, 4:06 am

i posted my view on this article i bet the bbc wont publish it this is what i wrote

Amazing how many factual errors are in this article.The attitude towards autism is appaling
cure as in autism's a disease it is not a disease,I'm a aspie and im no mathematical genius but i excel in science religion and business.
so what about if the worlds going to end in like 20 years you might kill the solution perhaps you killed a savant perhaps he could of found a way to stop the crisis.Do any of these scientists have any affective empathy how about the scientists find a way to help us instead of playing genocide.Did any one of them study WW2 are they trying to impersonate hitler next thing you the whole human race is the aryan race. Neroudiversity its simple accept it.

:lol: im very sure they wont publish it


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13 Jan 2009, 5:05 am

...And as we all know, men with Asperger's are like 8-year olds in 8th grade. They barely ever finish junior high. They go off to spend the rest of their lives in their rooms, not to university.
People with AS have generally worse math skills than nt's because of immaturity.



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13 Jan 2009, 5:09 am

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...And as we all know, men with Asperger's are like 8-year olds in 8th grade. They barely ever finish junior high. They go off to spend the rest of their lives in their rooms, not to university.
People with AS have generally worse math skills than nt's because of immaturity.


And your personally opinions were of worth here why?



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13 Jan 2009, 6:52 am

FieryGatoh wrote:
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...And as we all know, men with Asperger's are like 8-year olds in 8th grade. They barely ever finish junior high. They go off to spend the rest of their lives in their rooms, not to university.
People with AS have generally worse math skills than nt's because of immaturity.


And your personally opinions were of worth here why?


Because I'm tired of the stereotypical "gifted" Aspie when most high school boys with AS need a job, not school.