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Well, in fairness, Europe seems to be going the opposite direction of that which was laid out for America. Things that I consider American include small government, state's rights, individual liberties against the tyranny of the majority, the free market, social mobility, etc. Now, not all of those things (well, not any of those things) are going on right now in America, but they are distinctly American ideals.

I don't entirely fit into the British picture of a boorish American, in fact, I'd say I'm somewhat worldly and respectful of other cultures. However, Europe right now does have Socialist tendencies, which tend to go against the American ideals I previously mentioned. You're not Communist, but there absolutely is a hint of Socialism, and I can say that without it being an insult or an inappropriate assumption.



I don't think either of these things is American. Recognizing the principle laid forth in the 2nd Amendment is American, but you don't actually have to own a gun (I hate guns). The Russian thing is just sort of petty. I don't dislike anyone based solely on the form of government they live under.



This statement strikes me as arrogant. As it turns out, the government does not need to seek your personal approval in policy decisions.



There are so many laws that I do not want enforced...where do I start...

You assume far too much to say the majority of U.S. citizens want immigrations laws, or a variety of other laws to be enforced.

In fact, for those that understand what would go into extricating all the illegal immigrants, it should in fact be seen as patriotic to oppose what would be a very very rash decision. They're here, and we're not getting rid of them, as much as you or anyone else would like.



Well, patriotic is a misnomer here. But as per your example, both of these things go against American principles. The government should have little to no right to ever raid a private business, and the government should have absolutely no right to raid bank accounts. Now, with the AIG thing it was almost appropriate to apply a double-standard, but in the end it always has and always will be wrong to apply double-standards.



This is what both parties have done for a long time. Instead of having a principled platform, they have become the two largest lobbying groups. Who ever is paying up is the one that gets help.



You work in absolutes that make you look less intelligent than you are (maybe). I don't like Pelosi either, but she's not crazy, she's just a politician.



That's a pretty horrible thing to make a joke about. In the last thread you were a biblical literalist, now you're xenophobic and possibly racist? That's not very "Christian".



For a lot of people that system doesn't work. When you're missing out on basic life necessities, laws become irrelevant.



This is American arrogance taken to a new level. "Richer"? You cannot imagine the living conditions throughout Mexico right now. Most immigrants are working hard to bring their families to America, where they won't have to live in squalor. "Work harder?" Day-laborers work pretty hard. I mean come on, these people aren't riding home from their day putting up drywall, laughing to themselves "these foolish Americans, now I have enough to send each of my girls an IPhone!"





Again, that's not even close to the reality. If you come to this country illegally, you can't really go to the unemployment office with your Mexican ID. Further, if you have a problem with welfare, you don't blame the recipients, you blame the government. It's the whole "give a man a fish vs. teach a man to fish) analogy. The government is steady giving out some fish, but school is closed.

Finally, I would suggest that everyone in this thread go to Hulu and watch the Illegal Immigrant episode of 30 Days (the Super Size Me guy's show). It's a lot easier to demonize people from a distance. Getting to know them will generally change your mind.

1) brits hate americans more than americans hate brits. we dont discuss the falklands when you guys visit us. brits are like cousins to americans.

2) the natives would disagree about the illegal immigrant part.

3) not all immigrants deserve respect. i still dont get how gambino managed to remain in the country knowing he was an illegal. double standards mate.

We used to have a work program, Braceros, they were checked out before coming, had jobs lined up, and were welcome.

That was shot down by Congress, only people who would stay were to be let in, which meant the rich, for special skills, having $50,000 and wanting to open a business, became the rule.

We want your brains and money, but not your labor.

The result was the poor still came to sell labor, but lost all protection.

As drugs grew to an industry, larger than oil, the same routes were used to bring gangs in, and set up marketing networks.

Also a lot of people who would be dead or in jail in Mexico would rather be in the US, and continue their ways.

When New Orleans flooded we had Texans bringing truckloads of Mexicans, to do roofing and drywall, most were good folks, good workers, the support of their family, just like the old days.

The other side was crews from Alabama, Mississippi, who had to bid the same jobs, for the same reasons, but had a higher cost of living. They did things like pay taxes, Social Security, and still had to meet Mexican labor prices.

These were not the problem Mexicans, the drug gangs do not do drywall on the side.

They are wanted in Mexico, mostly for murder, other drug gangs would kill them, for that is who they killed, then they rack up a few more in Texas, then go to California seeking Freedom, and why can't everyone just get along.

A lot of hippie pot dealers have wound up dead when the El Salvadore gang came and took over the trade. The survivors now work for murder incorporated.

The poor suffering undocumented workers seeking freedom is a cover for a few million gang members taking billions out of the economy.

The children of Murder Incorporated born here are instant citizens?

The old system was better, cleared for work at the border, given legal protections, and as guest workers, their children were still Mexicans. They had names, IDs, fingerprints, all lacking with the gangs, who also now control smuggling people.

Cute girls are offered jobs as maids, when they get here the gang has other uses for them, and they have no legal rights.

We have also set the stage for a play I have seen several times, we deal with the problem by saying, everyone who has been here for seven years and stayed out of jail can apply to become a citizen.

We have millions trying for the next grant. Work, stay out of trouble, we let you stay.

I think it would be better to have a guest worker program that did the same, visit, work, become a citizen.

It is not immigration that is the problem, or guest workers, it is the loss of control over who is in the country for what purposes.

Another problem created by Congress.

Nobody mentioned anything about the huge numbers of "anchor babies" illegal aliens are punching out partly to try to legitimize their stay in the country and partly because they don't have the brains to think ahead.

Well, that's just racist. The first part I might actually discuss if you didn't have the second bit.

How often do you have to deal with illegal aliens in your town in Washington (I live in southern California)?