Obama is? the Antichrist.

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Pretty much, yeah. Philip had to change up the accusations he was making against his enemies - there are only so many times you can hold trials against people accused of "heresy, spitting and urinating on the Cross, and sodomy" before someone starts chuckling. So he accused them of "worshiping Baphomet," a name that was a corruption of "Mohammed".

In 1855, a man named Eliphas Levi drew a picture, with imagery drawing heavily from primitivist versions of Satan (themselves loosely based on Pan), that he called "Baphomet." That makes it almost as much an "ancient pagan religion" as Wicca, which dates back to the 1950s.

(Incidentally, for the underinformed out there, "pagan" merely means "non-Christian", and is thus comparable to Islamic use of the term "infidel".)

Obama definitely is not anything like the Antichrist. In the past, I always heard people refering like this to George W. Bush, but his bodyguards said he was not actually that bad (as ppl generally think), and they said that he knew them all by their names, and that Mrs. Bush liked to knit sweaters and caps for them, if they had to travel somewhere with both of them. It is said that the real as*hole and disgrace of the White house was Lyndon Johnson (or what´s his name, I am not American).

Actually, despite his involvement in the Vietnam war, Johnson was instrumental in civil rights legislation, and the War on Poverty, which should be his real legacy. I think you might be thinking of Richard Nixon, who despite being highly intelligent, was very Machiavellian, and was given to extreme paranoia to the point that he and the fellow paranoiacs he surrounded himself with ended up feeling under siege in the White House by the rest of the country. This ultimately led to the Watergate scandal.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

Hate to rain on your parade... but... baphomet... is another word for satan.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baphomet

And as much as I hate to engage in this conversation... Theists believe in the existence of god or a god. Satanists on the other hand... well, here's an excerpt from the church of satan website. "... the Satanist understands that all Gods are fiction, instead of bending a knee in worship to—or seeking friendship or unity with—such mythical entities, he places himself at the center of his own subjective universe as his own highest value. We Satanists are thus our own “Gods,” and as beneficent “deities” we can offer love to those who deserve it and deliver our wrath (within reasonable limits) upon those who seek to cause us—or that which we cherish—harm."

You either need to do some research and refine your beliefs or you are trolling... I will grant you the benefit of the doubt.

Marginalizing African Americans is, unfortunately, one of the most treasured American traditions. It is alive and well in the 21st century.

Not trolling btw yes I know that.

I Call Lucifer many names.

Just like God his has a lot.

I am a practing theistic Satantist.

A religion I was raised in.

As a Christian, who has a good deal of knowledge about the Antichrist, I can gladly say it is NOT either Obama or Nero. (I see why people would say Nero was the Antichrist, but he does not fit all of the signs that we were given to find the Antichrist.)

But...he is lurking on this planet, right now..

I beg to differ on Nero, but you're entitled to your opinion.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

If Nero was in fact the Antichrist, then the ''Beast of the Earth'' would have forced the entire earth to worship him.

(A quick review over the beast. In Biblical prophecies, things are often symbolic, like beast for example. Beast means a nation or kingdom. Here are a few examples from the book of Daniel during a vision...)

Daniel 7:17, "These great beasts, which are four, are four kings, which shall arise out of the earth."

Daniel 7:23, "Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth, which shall be diverse from all kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces."

Now as for the ''Beast of the Earth'' itself....

Revelation 13:11-12, "And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon. And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed."

To make it clear, the Antichrist and the ''Beast of the Sea'' are not different entities, just different names. Besides....

Revelation 17:8, "... behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is."

Thus Nero would have to had another nation to force all humans on Earth to worship him, with some deadly wound which healed later on, and to be one who was, and is not, and yet is. (It makes some sense to me.)

Also, sea means a populated area. Another example...


Revelation 17:15, "And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the whore sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues.")

The sea of course is the opposite of earth, so with that basic knowledge... the ''Beast of the Earth'' may have came from a sparse population.

As the bizarre imagery of Revelations is of the apocryphal style of Persia, I don't even pretend to tackle all the meaning - though I took a Bible study class from my Pastor concerning Revelations, and I feel he has a sound grip on the subject. The world referred to in Revelations was the Roman Empire, which ruled most of the known world at that time. And yes, Nero, as many other emperors, had demanded worship, which the early Christians had refused to give him. It's possible that the Beast may have been more than just Nero, but the Imperial Roman government itself. As far as the head wound goes - we know from Tacitus that a Pretender claiming to have been Nero after that emperor's suicide, was stirring up a lot of trouble in his day. As many thought his guy was actually Nero, it's possible the early Christians had thought so, too.
I suspect you are of the evangelical tradition, and thus your interpretation of Revelations. I, on the other hand, as a Lutheran, am of the Mainline Protestant tradition, and thus see the book in a different light.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

No problem, besides... I was just proving to people that Obama could not possibly be the antichrist....though, still. Given with the signs, and with detail from the second beast...

Well, I think that when I return from school, I'll give some more detail about who I, among others believe who the Antichrist is.

Anyway, I'm not of the evangelical tradition, but I could probably see why... I usually consider myself a Follower of Jesus Christ and that's about it.

That's cool.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

OK, I'm back.

As I said, I wil say ALL of the signs of Antichrist (Beast of the Sea).

Note: Due to the symbolism in Biblical Prophecies, some may not understand the verses at all, thus.. I'm going to help you! I'll underline all of the symbols in the verse that can be proven that it's only a symbol from other bible verses, bold important parts and.....

http://remnantofgod.org/a-to-i.htm
http://remnantofgod.org/s-to-z.htm

I'll show 2 sites that will interpret them for you! So let's begin.

1. Daniel 7:24, "And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings."

2. Revelation 13:4, "And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? Who is able to make war with him?"

3. Revelation 17:3, "So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns."

4. Revelation 17:9, "And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth."

5. Daniel 7:25, "And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time."

Revelation 12:6, "And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days."

Revelation 13:5, "And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months." (I will expand upon the time later on.)

6. Revelation 13:3, "And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death..."

Revelation 13:10, "He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword."

7. Revelation 13:3, "And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast."
8. Revelation 17:8, "... behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is."

9. Revelation 13:1, "And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy."

10. Revelation 13:8, "And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world."

11. Daniel 8:23, "And in the latter time of their kingdom, when the transgressors are come to the full, a king of fierce countenance, and understanding dark sentences, shall stand up."

12. 1 John 4:3, "And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world."

13. Daniel 8:23,25 "And in the latter time of their kingdom, when the transgressors are come to the full, a king of fierce countenance, and understanding dark sentences, shall stand up. And through his policy also he shall cause craft to prosper in his hand; and he shall magnify himself in his heart, and by peace shall destroy many: he shall also stand up against the Prince of princes; but he shall be broken without hand."

14. 2 Corinthians 11:3-4, "But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ. For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him." (In other words, the beast will be a hypocrite.)

15. Revelation 13:17,18, "And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name."Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.'' (Yes, it's that set of numbers that should be known among Christians.)

16. Mark 4:15, "And these are they by the way side, where the word is sown; but when they have heard, Satan cometh immediately, and taketh away the word that was sown in their hearts.'' (In other words, the beast will hate all who keep the word of God as the truth, and nothing less.)

17. Daniel 7:25, "And he shall ... shall wear out the saints of the most High,"

Revelation 13:7, "And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.''

18. Revelation 13:3-4, "And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast. And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? Who is able to make war with him?"

19. Revelation 17:5, "And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH." (Understand the symbolic meaning of ''woman'' first, then come back to this.)

20. Revelation 17:12, "And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast."

AND....

21. Daniel 11:37, "Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god: for he shall magnify himself above all."

Sorry about the long post, just had to find things that link up with the Antichrist.

Not to worry about the long post. I've been known to have diarrhea of the typing fingers from time to time.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

Whoops! I also forgot to mention that the Whore of Babylon is also intertwined with the beast of the sea! That also deals with the meaning of ''woman'' in prophetic visions.

Now, the signs are upon us. We now know the signs that will help us find the Antichrist. But we don't know who will be his ''enforcer'' of his mark, the beast of the earth. Likewise, we'll look upon the signs that the beast of the earth will fulfill.

1. Revelation 13:11-12, "And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon. And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed."

2. Revelation 13:13, "And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,"

3. Revelation 13:14, "And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live."

4. Revelation 13:15, "And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed."

AND....

5. Revelation 13:16-17, "And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name."

So how will the christians be killed to give us further understanding of the second beast?

6. Revelation 20:4, "And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years."

These are ALL the signs that we were given to find both of these ''beasts'' not far from 2000 years ago. Many have claimed one to the Antichrist. Nero, Hitler, Obama...but these signs do not match.

HOWEVER!

I, along with a good amount of people believe we have IDENTIFIED both of these beasts! Here's a hint.... They're here and they're hidden in plain sight.

Once I rest my fingers a bit, I'll talk about the 3½ years

Well, if you're right, I'll apologize when all that comes to fruition.
I should mention - as I've already stated prior to this - that Luther and Calvin, whose theologies were the basis of most mainline denominations of today, both personally thought Revelations should never have been recognized as divinely inspired. And thus, most mainline churches, such as my own, regard Revelations as at best a very minor book.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer