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20 Nov 2018, 1:00 pm

Kraftie's summing up hits the nail on the head.

Getting personal against WP members isn't allowed under the rules. But to attack an ideology or group is within the rules.

But some members do at times skate pretty close to the edge with their comments.


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20 Nov 2018, 1:05 pm

Perhaps some in this thread could use this as a learning experience to realize that the phrase “trump supporter,” is now tainted by all of the deplorable words & actions of DJT and that it’s not socially acceptable to call yourself such, much the same as it isn’t ok to brand yourself as an “Incel,” and denounce all the “chads and staceys,” of the world.

Much better to simply say you support the constitution & gun rights than it is to associate yourself with trump or trump supporters. IMO YMMV. Unless, of course, that’s your ideology and you Want to be know as that. Then you deserve any negativity you bring upon yourself. Also IMO YMMV.


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20 Nov 2018, 1:07 pm

envirozentinel wrote:
Kraftie's summing up hits the nail on the head.

Getting personal against WP members isn't allowed under the rules. But to attack an ideology or group is within the rules.

But some members do at times skate pretty close to the edge with their comments.


Can that not be put into practice then? It's not fair if a mod is warning people for attacking liberals because they are liberal themselves. I think if there was a level playing field there wouldn't be such anger.

I think Thoughtbeast and Co should be able to criticise Trump voters but calling so many of them Nazis is absurd. The one I've raised concerns about are his endless Trump threads. I just asked him to put them into one thread.


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20 Nov 2018, 1:10 pm

goldfish21 wrote:
Perhaps some in this thread could use this as a learning experience to realize that the phrase “trump supporter,” is now tainted by all of the deplorable words & actions of DJT and that it’s not socially acceptable to call yourself such, much the same as it isn’t ok to brand yourself as an “Incel,” and denounce all the “chads and staceys,” of the world.

Much better to simply say you support the constitution & gun rights than it is to associate yourself with trump or trump supporters. IMO YMMV. Unless, of course, that’s your ideology and you Want to be know as that. Then you deserve any negativity you bring upon yourself. Also IMO YMMV.


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As long as you're fine with Clinton or Sanders supporters facing the same.


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20 Nov 2018, 1:39 pm

envirozentinel wrote:
Kraftie's summing up hits the nail on the head.

Getting personal against WP members isn't allowed under the rules. But to attack an ideology or group is within the rules.

But some members do at times skate pretty close to the edge with their comments.

So liberals is a group? So why was I warned for talking about them?
But these people are attacking trump supports which is a similar political group and it’s ok.
The reason the rule was enforced is most people here are liberals so they felt hurt much same as I feel hurt when I see the attacks on trump supporters.
So is it my understanding that generalizations against groups including say liberals or women will not be punished anymore?



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20 Nov 2018, 1:42 pm

goldfish21 wrote:
Perhaps some in this thread could use this as a learning experience to realize that the phrase “trump supporter,” is now tainted by all of the deplorable words & actions of DJT and that it’s not socially acceptable to call yourself such, much the same as it isn’t ok to brand yourself as an “Incel,” and denounce all the “chads and staceys,” of the world.

Much better to simply say you support the constitution & gun rights than it is to associate yourself with trump or trump supporters. IMO YMMV. Unless, of course, that’s your ideology and you Want to be know as that. Then you deserve any negativity you bring upon yourself. Also IMO YMMV.

Then so is democrat and liberal. Socialist is also tainted, so is feminism, I could go on most leftist groups are tainted. Black life matters, everytiwn for gun safety, antifa, etc
Yiu don’t get to decide what’s tainted and you don’t get to decide who’s a Nazi or horrible. This is why we are divided, cause one side sees anyone who disagrees with the, as horrible evil. Even if it’s a slight disagreement



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20 Nov 2018, 1:42 pm

[mod note] Please keep in mind that any attack on groups is unacceptable. Like TallyMan clarified in PPR:

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Other groups of people.
While it is acceptable to attack and debate beliefs (political, religious etc) it is not acceptable to make generalised attacks on the adherents of those beliefs. It is acceptable to say that Republicanism, Liberalism, Christianity, Islam are stupid but not acceptable to make generalised attacks saying that Republicans, Liberals, Christians or Muslims are morons.
This holds every bit as true in this part of WP. Attacking Trump supporters or liberals or any other group is not allowed.[/mod note]


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20 Nov 2018, 1:47 pm

JohnPowell wrote:
envirozentinel wrote:
Kraftie's summing up hits the nail on the head.

Getting personal against WP members isn't allowed under the rules. But to attack an ideology or group is within the rules.

But some members do at times skate pretty close to the edge with their comments.


Can that not be put into practice then? It's not fair if a mod is warning people for attacking liberals because they are liberal themselves. I think if there was a level playing field there wouldn't be such anger.

I think Thoughtbeast and Co should be able to criticise Trump voters but calling so many of them Nazis is absurd. The one I've raised concerns about are his endless Trump threads. I just asked him to put them into one thread.


This.
I dare him to see if he can go a week without making a trump post.
I got warned for suggesting obsession is t healthy. It’s only going make him more angry at half the nation. It wouldn’t have been healthy if I similarly made 20 posts a day about Obama, searching the web for any negative articles about Obama.
I’m legitimately concerned not trying to attack him. Trump I beleive has become his special interest. He can do whatever he wants but I get warned for expressing concern for him and for this section. There’s nothing anyone can do about trump I just don’t see how constant posts is good for anyone it’s tearing our community apart.



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20 Nov 2018, 1:50 pm

goldfish21 wrote:
Perhaps some in this thread could use this as a learning experience to realize that the phrase “trump supporter,” is now tainted by all of the deplorable words & actions of DJT and that it’s not socially acceptable to call yourself such, much the same as it isn’t ok to brand yourself as an “Incel,” and denounce all the “chads and staceys,” of the world..

You're on an autism forum telling members to curtail their beliefs to what's "socially acceptable" :P

Or maybe we should be independent thinkers? Maybe, it's time to reject what's been socially acceptable?

Maybe,it's time to loudly declare ...

-"I want tax cuts, and I don't care if they have to cut people off welfare to get them".
-"I don't want to pay for poor illegal immigrants".
-"I like living in a city that is racially 98% white".
-"I like independent thinking!"
-"I like freedom of speech!"
-"I want high cholesterol!"
-"I want to rub green jello all over my body and run naked through the streets!"
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20 Nov 2018, 2:03 pm

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There is an exception made for public officials so there could be an exception made for Nazis or Trump supporters(not equating them myself but many here and elsewhere do) I suppose.

Trump supporters are not "public officials".

I'm not a full-fledge Trump supporter. I regularly make negative posts about Trump.

However, my mom is a Trump supporter, and several WP users are too.

It can't be right to insult these people, and diminish them to "deplorables".


It's stating what has generally been known about Trump supporters since Hillary raised it over two years ago, and it's certainly right to "insult" them for the same reason that it's right to "insult" nazis as deplorables. If this discussion were in 1934 (two years after Hitler took power, but before the book burnings, before Kristallnacht and before the Holocaust) I suppose you'd be whining about me "insulting" the nazis as deplorables as well. And for anyone who supports Trump after his numerous acts of intimidation against other religions and races, after his legitimization of nazis and other fascists at Charlottesville and after his imprisonment of children in concentration camp cages and throwing paper towels at Puerto Ricans, being labeled "deplorable" is the very least of the labels for which they should be concerned. There is a very wide variety of profane terminology that is applicable to such as them.

And it's not against the rules.

As the rules are currently written it is against them to say Nazi supporters are deplorable. An argument can and probably should be made that an exception should be made because their core political beliefs involve killing people that WP has listed as protected.


This is about making generalizations about republicans and trump supporters it nazis
Republicans and trump supporters aren’t nazis.
Don’t be fooled. Its simply wrong to think half the nation are racist nazis cause they don’t have the same opinions. Just as it’s wrong to call the other half communist racists. Both is Divisions and hateful.
I’m not a nazi for supporting trump and I’m not communist for supporting welfare

I was specifically talking about people who are Nazi supporters, not Trump supporters in general. As I said in an earlier post I am not in favor of making an exception to the rules for Trump supports. People support Trump for a variety of reasons. I have read many interviews, blog posts etc with his supporters. A significant part of his hardcore base are bigots, but I have read plenty of from supporters who dislike his rants and his immaturity but like the fact he is making the courts conservative or is shaking things up etc.

FWIW I know Trump supports who are nice people and I know Trump supports who are bigots and I know bigots who are in every other way nice people.


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20 Nov 2018, 2:06 pm

This is a Certified Bad Idea™.

There are better Democrats. There are better women who don't cheat to get their way that deserve the nomination. Unfortunately, Hillary has enough money to get backing from the DNC again over anyone else if she runs. But she's not going to win.

(Before someone accuses me of being a Trump supporter, I'm not. But Hillary was not a good choice for this country. The American public had to pick between the lesser of two evils.)


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20 Nov 2018, 2:14 pm

ASPartOfMe wrote:
sly279 wrote:
ASPartOfMe wrote:
thoughtbeast wrote:
LoveNotHate wrote:
ASPartOfMe wrote:
There is an exception made for public officials so there could be an exception made for Nazis or Trump supporters(not equating them myself but many here and elsewhere do) I suppose.

Trump supporters are not "public officials".

I'm not a full-fledge Trump supporter. I regularly make negative posts about Trump.

However, my mom is a Trump supporter, and several WP users are too.

It can't be right to insult these people, and diminish them to "deplorables".


It's stating what has generally been known about Trump supporters since Hillary raised it over two years ago, and it's certainly right to "insult" them for the same reason that it's right to "insult" nazis as deplorables. If this discussion were in 1934 (two years after Hitler took power, but before the book burnings, before Kristallnacht and before the Holocaust) I suppose you'd be whining about me "insulting" the nazis as deplorables as well. And for anyone who supports Trump after his numerous acts of intimidation against other religions and races, after his legitimization of nazis and other fascists at Charlottesville and after his imprisonment of children in concentration camp cages and throwing paper towels at Puerto Ricans, being labeled "deplorable" is the very least of the labels for which they should be concerned. There is a very wide variety of profane terminology that is applicable to such as them.

And it's not against the rules.

As the rules are currently written it is against them to say Nazi supporters are deplorable. An argument can and probably should be made that an exception should be made because their core political beliefs involve killing people that WP has listed as protected.


This is about making generalizations about republicans and trump supporters it nazis
Republicans and trump supporters aren’t nazis.
Don’t be fooled. Its simply wrong to think half the nation are racist nazis cause they don’t have the same opinions. Just as it’s wrong to call the other half communist racists. Both is Divisions and hateful.
I’m not a nazi for supporting trump and I’m not communist for supporting welfare

I was specifically talking about people who are Nazi supporters, not Trump supporters in general. As I said in an earlier post I am not in favor of making an exception to the rules for Trump supports. People support Trump for a variety of reasons. I have read many interviews, blog posts etc with his supporters. A significant part of his hardcore base are bigots, but I have read plenty of from supporters who dislike his rants and his immaturity but like the fact he is making the courts conservative or is shaking things up etc.

FWIW I know Trump supports who are nice people and I know Trump supports who are bigots and I know bigots who are in every other way nice people.


I know but they are and we’re talking about trump supporters who they beleive to all be nazis, not neo nazis but actual nazis. And thus the rules shouldn’t apply to trump supporters cause they nazis and the rules shouldn’t apply to nazis, that is their argument.

I think most people support trump cause their interests currently align. For example the gun community is les and less supporting trump cause he’s supporting gun control, sadly he’s still better then anyone the democrats will run and thus we have to vote him again.
Inside the gun community I actively talk against trump to those who say he’s playing 5d chess. Trump goes where he thinks it’s most popular.



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20 Nov 2018, 2:19 pm

goldfish21 wrote:
Perhaps some in this thread could use this as a learning experience to realize that the phrase “trump supporter,” is now tainted by all of the deplorable words & actions of DJT and that it’s not socially acceptable to call yourself such, much the same as it isn’t ok to brand yourself as an “Incel,” and denounce all the “chads and staceys,” of the world.

Much better to simply say you support the constitution & gun rights than it is to associate yourself with trump or trump supporters. IMO YMMV. Unless, of course, that’s your ideology and you Want to be know as that. Then you deserve any negativity you bring upon yourself. Also IMO YMMV.

Autistic is getting associated with school shooters and has historically had all sorts of negative associations. So I should just say "differently wired"?

If you say you support gun rights/constitution you will be branded as a "gun nut". If you are generally conservative you will be branded as a "tea bagger" or "wing nut" and yes if you are a moderate liberal you will be branded as an "SJW", "snowflake" or "naive". Welcome to America 2018. Since no matter what you are going to be negatively branded anyway if you are a Trump supporter say so and say why overall you think he has been a successful president.

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goldfish21 wrote:
Perhaps some in this thread could use this as a learning experience to realize that the phrase “trump supporter,” is now tainted by all of the deplorable words & actions of DJT and that it’s not socially acceptable to call yourself such, much the same as it isn’t ok to brand yourself as an “Incel,” and denounce all the “chads and staceys,” of the world..

You're on an autism forum telling members to curtail their beliefs to what's "socially acceptable" :P

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20 Nov 2018, 2:25 pm

Yes, we should certainly use this thread as a "learning experience." Perhaps we can all learn to discuss politics more civilly. It might go a long way to bridging the divide that is tearing this country apart.


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20 Nov 2018, 3:54 pm

LoveNotHate wrote:
goldfish21 wrote:
Perhaps some in this thread could use this as a learning experience to realize that the phrase “trump supporter,” is now tainted by all of the deplorable words & actions of DJT and that it’s not socially acceptable to call yourself such, much the same as it isn’t ok to brand yourself as an “Incel,” and denounce all the “chads and staceys,” of the world..

You're on an autism forum telling members to curtail their beliefs to what's "socially acceptable" :P

Or maybe we should be independent thinkers? Maybe, it's time to reject what's been socially acceptable?

Maybe,it's time to loudly declare ...

-"I want tax cuts, and I don't care if they have to cut people off welfare to get them".
-"I don't want to pay for poor illegal immigrants".
-"I like living in a city that is racially 98% white".
-"I like independent thinking!"
-"I like freedom of speech!"
-"I want high cholesterol!"
-"I want to rub green jello all over my body and run naked through the streets!"
-"I want to make America great again!"

Edgar Friendly Independent thinker speech ...


People are here to learn social skills & what is and isn’t acceptable, after all.

Calling yourself a trump supporter is on par with identifying as a neo nazi, KKK klansman, or any other hate group.


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20 Nov 2018, 4:07 pm

That's out of line because they are not all like that.

We don't tolerate racism and racist posts but must be fair. Political dialogue means allowing those with opposing views to express themselves as long as they stay within the rules.


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