Black Lives Matter plan to 'completely dismantle' society

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06 Jul 2021, 4:48 pm

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"feeling sorry" for them just encourages them. i am reminded of ray bradbury's work "something wicked this way comes," where dr. dark says, "...We are the hungry ones. Your torments call us like dogs in the night. And we do feed, and feed well. And butter our plain bread with delicious pain. That is our diet. We suck that misery and find it sweet. We search for more always...."


I appreciate that you are a literate man, Blabby! 8) 8) 8) 8)

thank you :study: i'm glad we now seem to have a charles halloway biden as POTUS instead of a dr. dark j. trump.


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06 Jul 2021, 7:26 pm

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https://www.grandforksherald.com/community/7070253-Fargo-hospital-honors-slain-14-year-old-Jupiter-Paulsen-for-organ-donation-video

This link is to the story of Jupiter Paulsen, a 14 year old girl killed last month.
Is this a hate crime?
Does her life matter?


You've been posting this on multiple threads?



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06 Jul 2021, 8:05 pm

auntblabby wrote:
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"feeling sorry" for them just encourages them. i am reminded of ray bradbury's work "something wicked this way comes," where dr. dark says, "...We are the hungry ones. Your torments call us like dogs in the night. And we do feed, and feed well. And butter our plain bread with delicious pain. That is our diet. We suck that misery and find it sweet. We search for more always...."


I appreciate that you are a literate man, Blabby! 8) 8) 8) 8)

thank you :study: i'm glad we now seem to have a charles halloway biden as POTUS instead of a dr. dark j. trump.


#MeToo 8)



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06 Jul 2021, 8:27 pm

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American Socialists appear to want an array of other programs that take money from productive people, and give it to non-productive people.


Ah ok! this is perhaps the best answer to debate against socialism I have seen. But wait? aren't a lot of autistic people non-productive? doesn't our taxes pay for people who are disabled? Pray tell why this is such a terrible thing (this will be good)

Able-bodied need to be productive to pay for non-able-bodied.


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06 Jul 2021, 8:33 pm

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American Socialists appear to want an array of other programs that take money from productive people, and give it to non-productive people.


Ah ok! this is perhaps the best answer to debate against socialism I have seen. But wait? aren't a lot of autistic people non-productive? doesn't our taxes pay for people who are disabled? Pray tell why this is such a terrible thing (this will be good)

Able-bodied need to be productive to pay for non-able-bodied.


and?



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06 Jul 2021, 8:44 pm

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American Socialists appear to want an array of other programs that take money from productive people, and give it to non-productive people.


Ah ok! this is perhaps the best answer to debate against socialism I have seen. But wait? aren't a lot of autistic people non-productive? doesn't our taxes pay for people who are disabled? Pray tell why this is such a terrible thing (this will be good)

Able-bodied need to be productive to pay for non-able-bodied.


But Trump doesn't pay taxes? Or maybe he is not able-bodied?



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06 Jul 2021, 8:46 pm

TheRobotLives wrote:
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American Socialists appear to want an array of other programs that take money from productive people, and give it to non-productive people.


Ah ok! this is perhaps the best answer to debate against socialism I have seen. But wait? aren't a lot of autistic people non-productive? doesn't our taxes pay for people who are disabled? Pray tell why this is such a terrible thing (this will be good)

Able-bodied need to be productive to pay for non-able-bodied.


Then business should do their part and pay workers to work. Again, they come up with the most unbelievable reasons why they have to cut their work force, and pay starvation wages. And yes, burger flippers deserve to be gainfully employed, too.


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06 Jul 2021, 8:48 pm

Jiheisho wrote:
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cyberdad wrote:
TheRobotLives wrote:
American Socialists appear to want an array of other programs that take money from productive people, and give it to non-productive people.


Ah ok! this is perhaps the best answer to debate against socialism I have seen. But wait? aren't a lot of autistic people non-productive? doesn't our taxes pay for people who are disabled? Pray tell why this is such a terrible thing (this will be good)

Able-bodied need to be productive to pay for non-able-bodied.


But Trump doesn't pay taxes? Or maybe he is not able-bodied?

If Trump didn't pay tax, it's because he didn't make any money.


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06 Jul 2021, 8:49 pm

do NOT put pressgangs past these people.



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06 Jul 2021, 8:50 pm

TheRobotLives wrote:
Jiheisho wrote:
TheRobotLives wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
TheRobotLives wrote:
American Socialists appear to want an array of other programs that take money from productive people, and give it to non-productive people.


Ah ok! this is perhaps the best answer to debate against socialism I have seen. But wait? aren't a lot of autistic people non-productive? doesn't our taxes pay for people who are disabled? Pray tell why this is such a terrible thing (this will be good)

Able-bodied need to be productive to pay for non-able-bodied.


But Trump doesn't pay taxes? Or maybe he is not able-bodied?

If Trump didn't pay tax, it's because he didn't make any money.


Or maybe he's a tax cheat.


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06 Jul 2021, 9:04 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:
Then business should do their part and pay workers to work. Again, they come up with the most unbelievable reasons why they have to cut their work force, and pay starvation wages. And yes, burger flippers deserve to be gainfully employed, too.

Employees are expected to develop skills, and take on greater responsibility, so they earn more money.


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06 Jul 2021, 9:18 pm

TheRobotLives wrote:
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Then business should do their part and pay workers to work. Again, they come up with the most unbelievable reasons why they have to cut their work force, and pay starvation wages. And yes, burger flippers deserve to be gainfully employed, too.

Employees are expected to develop skills, and take on greater responsibility, so they earn more money.


That doesn't always materialize in real life. Are those who get left behind flipping burgers supposed to just wallow in poverty? Sounds pretty hardhearted to me.
As a matter of fact, there's a family owned burger joint in Seattle called Dicks, where the starting wage is eighteen dollars, and the costliest burger is four dollars. They are a successful business, because the owners are capable of empathy, and lack greed.


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06 Jul 2021, 10:28 pm

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As a matter of fact, there's a family owned burger joint in Seattle called Dicks, where the starting wage is eighteen dollars, and the costliest burger is four dollars. They are a successful business, because the owners are capable of empathy, and lack greed.


We have a few restaurants in Melbourne that operate on an honour system where you pay if you like/appreciate the food (literally like a tip). People with financial problems can eat for free. They are profitable.

I imagine the concept would horrify most republicans :lol:



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06 Jul 2021, 11:00 pm

Mr Reynholm wrote:
https://www.grandforksherald.com/community/7070253-Fargo-hospital-honors-slain-14-year-old-Jupiter-Paulsen-for-organ-donation-video

This link is to the story of Jupiter Paulsen, a 14 year old girl killed last month.
Is this a hate crime?
Does her life matter?


Is it a hate crime? Is there any evidence of that as a motive? :chin:


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06 Jul 2021, 11:39 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:
TheRobotLives wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
TheRobotLives wrote:
American Socialists appear to want an array of other programs that take money from productive people, and give it to non-productive people.


Ah ok! this is perhaps the best answer to debate against socialism I have seen. But wait? aren't a lot of autistic people non-productive? doesn't our taxes pay for people who are disabled? Pray tell why this is such a terrible thing (this will be good)

Able-bodied need to be productive to pay for non-able-bodied.


Then business should do their part and pay workers to work. Again, they come up with the most unbelievable reasons why they have to cut their work force, and pay starvation wages. And yes, burger flippers deserve to be gainfully employed, too.


Simply increasing wages isn't exactly the panacea it is presented as, given the minimal change (potentially as little as a 5% gain for an employee when their hourly wages go from $7.25 to $15 an hour) the employee receives as a result ...[1]
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Source: https://www.aei.org/carpe-diem/a-new-take-the-minimum-wage-paradox/
Created using: https://www.forsythfutures.org/benefits-calculator/

Of course, the location where people live may alter the "Social Benefits" they receive, and state taxes will differ, but taking a simplistic "increase minimum wages" shows a complete lack of awareness of the subject matter they are discussing.

It is also interesting that "burger flippers" are used as the example of those whose employers can afford to pay more, commonly in the misguided belief that their employer is the "big name" on the sign, whilst in fact the majority are franchises - the equivalent of a "family business", but granted the benefit of a "universally known name\brand\products, for which they pay fees to the owner of the "named company" - https://www.fool.com/investing/general/2016/04/03/what-percentage-of-mcdonalds-restaurants-are-owned.aspx. So while a company like McDonalds may make large amounts of money, it is not the company who is responsible for paying the wages (or providing any financial input into stores, instead the company takes money from them in exchange for their ability to trade under the company's name) of those burger flippers...

[1] It would be interesting, however, to see if there is some point where wages can be increased to, whilst the changes to the employee's benefits\taxes don't have such a detrimental impact on the extra money they earn - a 51% "pay rise" (and expence for their employer, often a small\family business) only positioning a person 5% ahead of where they were before receiving it seems a poor return for the employee, whilst it looks good to those who believe simply increasing wages will solve everyone's problems. Maybe it's possible that a more modest (maybe as low as 10%) wage increase would provide more meaningful\higher final income to the employee and put them further ahead than the fasionable "$15 minimum wage" that many push for?



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06 Jul 2021, 11:45 pm

At the very least shouldn't minimum wage be raised until the state can stop subsidizing the wages of low income earners?


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