[IMPORTANT] Hamas launches foot assault against settlements.

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What do you think Hezbollah is going to do?

I am 100% sure the occupation of Gaza as a safety zone by the IDF in 1967 does not give the Palestinians the right to film the rape and murder of innocent women and children in 2023. Many of whom are not even Israeli citizens but foreign nationals.

Currently there are at least 4 US citizens held hostage awaiting execution. If I recall even Obama sent special forces into Pakistan with guns blazing killing Pakistani civilians in a compound where Osama Bin Laden was hiding.

International groups telling Israel to show restraint while ignoring the trigger (terror attack) are being facetious. For example Saudi Arabia has kept quiet on the massacre of Israelis and asked Israel to negotiate with HAMAS. Hypocritically they previously launched a massive invasion of Yemen on the pretext of removing the Huthi militia and killed thousands of civilians in the process.

On the matter of Palestinians being indigenous, studies show most are descended from migratory groups who entered the region from outside. I'm not suggesting they don't have the right to own land or live in Gaza or the west bank. But it's 2023 and they need to negotiate with the Israelis in a civil manner rather than launching military offensives which only serve (and they know this) to hurt their own people.

The invasion was a clever way to force Israel to attack Gaza. It serves those financing terrorism in Iran and Syria and Lebanon.

Ofc it’s not right to terrorize ppl.

Lol I don’t think there’s any negotiating with a group whose name, “Hamas,” apparently translates to “death to Jews.”

Israelis and Palestinians ought to live and let live, but that’s not working out so good - in large part because neither side is doing it.

I’m sure not all Palestinians support Hamas, but what choice do every day citizens have in anything decided by powerful groups within their society? Zero.

How does it serve whoever that is?

First, I should say that the current Hamas killing of civilians is inexcusable. (I also don't like Hamas's endorsement of "The Protocols of the Elders of Zion" in its charter.)

However:

Don't equate anti-Zionism with anti-Jewish bigotry.

"Right to exist" and "right to have a nation state" are two very different things, especially when having a nation state requires the displacement of a whole lot of other people who were already there.

Do you believe that every ethnic group has the right to a nation state?

(What about Black Americans, for example? Should some part of the U.S.A. be carved out to give them their own nation state?)

There are a LOT of ethnic groups that don't have nation states. And I don't think they all need nation-states.

Frankly, I think Jews are safer here in the U.S.A. than they are in Israel, at least at the present time.

There are plenty of anti-Zionist Jews, by the way. Some are left-wing. Others are ultra-Orthodox Jews (Haredi) who believe that Israel is illegitimate until such time as it gets created by the Messiah, who will have the power to create it in a way that also brings about world peace rather than the endlessly recurring wars we have now.

I don't know what would be a good solution to the current Israel-vs-Palestine crisis. Ideally, I think it would sure be nice if the current Israelis and Palestinians could just live together peaceably in a single unified, secular Israel-Palestine. But that's not happening anytime soon, alas.

For the record, the settlements are totally illegal by international law.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interna ... clarations.

Which is not a green light for an unprovoked attack slaughtering 1000 innocent Israelis and foreigners.

It would help they don't dance in the street celebrating and shooting fireworks at the sight of babies being filmed tied to poles and getting torched or the mass rape of Israeli and foreign women.

The US has confirmed the deaths of 14 US citizens. Another 20 US citizens are missing (likely kidnapped). I except HAMAS leadership isn't long for this world once US special forces enter alongside Moassad. Palestinian civilians will pay a heavy price for betting on terrorism to solve their social problems (and yes, they had a choice).

HAMAS, a brotherhood branch, are totally like ISIS in their ideology.

In other term, they're worse than anything else.

Iran is denying involvement in the Hamas attacks (even though everyone knows they are behind it) - so involving Hezbollah into this war would expose them.

I think Iran didn't anticipate the US's reaction under Biden administration would be that extreme, the mobilization of two US carriers probably made them think twice, and there's talk that their $9bn will be refrozen. So far Hezbollah are just doing skirmishes to "save face" in front of their Hamas allies, it's like they are patting on their allies' shoulders "we are supporting you brothers, and that's all we can do for now".

Hamas, while being partially a puppet for Iran, but unlike Hezboollah it is not an exclusive puppet for them. Hamas is part of a different entity: Muslim Brotherhood, other nations such as Turkey's Edogan and Qatar* have great influence on them as well. So for survival, Iran wouldn't hestitate to abandon Hamas to their fate.

*Haniyeh, the Hamas' leader, has operated from Doha, Qatar, since 2020; and yet Qatar allowed Israel to set an office in Doha during World Cup, Qatar is multi-faced.

I hope I am not mistaken. If Hezbollah dragged us to another war for the sake of Hamas, then I expect a civil war would errupt in Lebanon. The Christian Lebanese's secession feelings had never been high ever and it's no longer being a taboo subject among their venues anymore, there had been a lot of talk of Christian secession as they don't want to co-exist with Hezbollah anymore under the same Lebanese banner, mainly due to them (Hezbollah) imposing a foreign policy on Lebanon that doesn't match their Christian pro-western culture, hell, it doesn't even match the Pro-Gulf feelings of the local Sunnites because Iran is enemy of all of them. There's so much inside grudge against Hezbollah from the other sects currently.

Bashar Al Assad is close to both Iran and Russia. Syrias involvement might precipitate a region wide conflict

Even Switzerland is more likely to get involved than Bachar Al Assad.

Thank You ,Misslizard for posting this..think it is very poignant in understanding the reality of the Situations presented to people . In this So called very one sided appearing War . Sorry to say

You’re welcome.I think many Americans are ignorant of this knowledge.
If you treat people as subhuman for years it’s bound to go badly.

Hamas views Jews as subhuman. In fact, Jews being considered subhuman is hardly a recent thing. But perhaps you are ignorant of this knowledge.

Hamas wanted war. They got it. Meanwhile Hamas’s leader sits in Qatar fat and happy.