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21 Dec 2023, 8:51 pm

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These Jewish Centers throughout the USA m ( simon Weissenthal) and the commenoritive monuments
With non- profit status . Am getting the feeling . That they should not be there anymore . Why commemorate a people who have committed such atrocities.


This seems to conflate the Jewish people in general with the Israeli people and state, which isn't really fair. It's not the Jewish people committing the atrocities, it's specifically Israelis. Other Jews are actively exerting as much positive pressure as they can, many others fall between those extremes.


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22 Dec 2023, 4:09 am

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Oh yes, because Catholics don’t have a long historical record of killing people of different faiths or belief systems.. so, naturally the Catholic leader bean Pope is totes the guy to tell Israel to knock it off. I’m sure what would be well received and result in a voluntary ceasefire.

Given how large the Roman Catholic Church is, and given how many different countries it exists in, the Pope speaking out should help increase international pressure on Israel to knock it off. In and of itself it won't put a stop to the slaughter in Gaza, but the more pressure on Israel, from as many different directions as possible, the better. Or so it seems to me.


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22 Dec 2023, 7:06 pm



The case of al-Shifa: Investigating the assault on Gaza’s largest hospital

The case of al-Shifa: Investigating the assault on Gaza’s largest hospital (reposted on MSN, in case WaPo gives trouble)


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23 Dec 2023, 8:15 am

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It looks to me like a few posts in this thread (and elsewhere on WP recently) are veering towards anti-Jewish bigotry. Besides being against Wrong Planet rules, that's just not helpful, at all. It only fuels the fear that fuels Jewish Zionism and Israeli mistreatment of Palestinians, in the first place.

IMO this topic needs to be a discussed in such a way that both the few Jews here and any Palestinians who might show up here (there have been a few in the past) can feel welcome. And that's how we should aim to discuss it wherever we may happen to talk about it, not just here on WP.



Finally, a voice of fairness and reason.


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23 Dec 2023, 8:37 am

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Gawd.. i sure wish our US political leaders would follow through with the actual wishes of the people .
The above report/ post regarding this stuff is just absolutely sickening .
The Israeli leadership, does not need to drag the name of the Israeli people through the dirt ......
Then every Jewish person will align themselves with the Great State of Israel. These Jewish Centers throughout the USA m ( simon Weissenthal) and the commenoritive monuments
With non- profit status . Am getting the feeling . That they should not be there anymore . Why commemorate a people who have committed such atrocities.***.." In the Modern Age of mankind" *** And NO, i do not consider myself an anti semite or Jew .. But at this rate , i could easily be mistaken for one . :(
I could only hope the above posting by Goldfish21 with its link to that Info. is mistaken :skull:


This is stupid. Judaism is one thing. The government of Israel is another thing.

What you're doing is like blaming Jesus for the American slave trade, or blaming Buddha for the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor. OR...like blaming all of Islam for the recent HAMAS attacks.



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23 Dec 2023, 12:11 pm

Persephone29 wrote:
Mona Pereth wrote:
It looks to me like a few posts in this thread (and elsewhere on WP recently) are veering towards anti-Jewish bigotry. Besides being against Wrong Planet rules, that's just not helpful, at all. It only fuels the fear that fuels Jewish Zionism and Israeli mistreatment of Palestinians, in the first place.

IMO this topic needs to be a discussed in such a way that both the few Jews here and any Palestinians who might show up here (there have been a few in the past) can feel welcome. And that's how we should aim to discuss it wherever we may happen to talk about it, not just here on WP.



Finally, a voice of fairness and reason.



Yeah, but there was nothing reasonable in any of your posts, you keep using the bible as a proof that all the land should be for the Israelis and I bet you also believe in Greater Israel which includes Lebanon, Sinai, Jordan and part of Syria all the way till Iraq's borders.

Oh but guess what, science has proved that your "holy" book is wrong, your whole Zionist narrative that "Jews are the only natives of the land and Palestinians/Lebanese are descendants of Arab invaders", turned out genetically there's very little trace of "Arab" in our peoples' genomes and we're largerly related to Canaanites to this day. https://www.nationalgeographic.com/hist ... rchaeology

Even your beloved Israelis couldn't deny it https://www.timesofisrael.com/the-canaa ... o-lebanon/ and trying to fabricate more narratives "moved north", in order to keep associating Palestinians with "Arab invaders", since Zionism largely relies on this lie (because even the Bible doesn't deny that Canaanites were the true natives of the land of Canaan). Because again, even Palestinians have a similar genetic makeup to Lebanese: viewtopic.php?t=417737


It seems that your Prophet-king David failed horribly in his holy mission in exterminating the Canaanites, despite G-d's call, what a loser monster, G-d is probably lashing him now for failing his duty..
Yet here we are, so many of us. The same how your Bibi is gonna fail in his attempt of ethnic cleansing.

Yeah, I know you are obligated to hate us more now since your book views the Canaanites as the enemies of G-d and should be exterminated, and probably your faithful mind justifies the killing for 20,000 Palestinians whom most are civilians as revernge for 1500.
I am personally atheist, but since you are using bible bigotry to justify land ownership, then f**k your stupid bible, I view toilet papers even more highly. The "Canaanites" of this land aren't obliged to submit to your f*****g book.

And the Zionists will never able to exterminate us, so yeah...go cry me a river. May Bha'al followers remain a throne to your dreams.



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23 Dec 2023, 12:15 pm

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
Persephone29 wrote:
Mona Pereth wrote:
It looks to me like a few posts in this thread (and elsewhere on WP recently) are veering towards anti-Jewish bigotry. Besides being against Wrong Planet rules, that's just not helpful, at all. It only fuels the fear that fuels Jewish Zionism and Israeli mistreatment of Palestinians, in the first place.

IMO this topic needs to be a discussed in such a way that both the few Jews here and any Palestinians who might show up here (there have been a few in the past) can feel welcome. And that's how we should aim to discuss it wherever we may happen to talk about it, not just here on WP.



Finally, a voice of fairness and reason.



Yeah, but there was nothing reasonable in any of your posts, you keep using the bible as a proof that all the land should be for the Israelis and I bet you also believe in Greater Israel which includes Lebanon, Sinai, Jordan and part of Syria all the way till Iraq's borders.

Oh but guess what, science has proved that your "holy" book is wrong, your whole Zionist narrative that "Jews are the only natives of the land and Palestinians/Lebanese are descendants of Arab invaders", turned out genetically there's very little trace of "Arab" in our peoples' genomes and we're largerly related to Canaanites to this day. https://www.nationalgeographic.com/hist ... rchaeology

Even your beloved Israelis couldn't deny it https://www.timesofisrael.com/the-canaa ... o-lebanon/ and trying to fabricate more narratives "moved north", in order to keep associating Palestinians with "Arab invaders", since Zionism largely relies on this lie (because even the Bible doesn't deny that Canaanites were the true natives of the land of Canaan). Because again, even Palestinians have a similar genetic makeup to Lebanese: viewtopic.php?t=417737


It seems that your Prophet-king David failed horribly in his holy mission in exterminating the Canaanites, despite God's call, what a loser monster, G-d is probably lashing him now for failing his duty..
Yet here we are, so many of us. The same how your Bibi is gonna fail in his ethnic cleansing.

Yeah, I know you are obligated to hate us more now since your book views the Canaanites as the enemies of G-d and should be exterminated, and probably your faithful mind justifies the killing for 20,000 Palestinians whom most are civilians as revernge for 1500.
I am personally atheist, but since you are using bible bigotry to justify land ownership, then f**k your stupid bible, I view toilet papers even more highly. The "Canaaniets" of this land aren't obliged to submit to your f*****g book.

And the Zionists will never able to exterminate us, so yeah...go cry me a river. May Bha'al followers remain a throne to your dreams.


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23 Dec 2023, 12:16 pm

Putting aside the negative tropes in Jakki’s post there are some legitimate issues brought up that merit discussion.

Prior to 10/7 because the most right wing government in Israel’s history took power many mainstream American Jewish organizations were disassociating themselves from Israel. That does not mean they became anti zionist.

There is this phenomenon known as the Rally 'round the flag effect. It is that during a crises people put aside their differences and support each other and their government. Israel is particularly susceptible to this due to its small size. The vast majority of Israelis had a family member or knew someone who were victims of 10/7. In addition each family has one or several members in the military now. With a few notable exceptions diaspora Jewry has also rallied around the flag. As a small minority we are particularly susceptible.

The first potential moving on from this effect has been happening in Israel with the protests by hostage families and their supporters demanding getting the hostages released be prioritized over destroying Hamas. At this point it is to early to tell if this about prioritizing getting the hostages released then continuing war full bore or the beginnings of a true anti war movement or something in between but it bears watching.


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23 Dec 2023, 12:23 pm

yes the above post by N P ,does appear to be inflammitory based on WP rules , and wonders what concept of of stupidity the NP is responding too. Am pretty sure my opinion is quite sound . And. other of these people seem to effect and decide each others opinions in real life .. based on my personal experiences . And regarding what Mona P wrote above .. seems to be lacking substance and some credible basis .."As the likelyhood of any Palestinians or , even Hamas" have , or possibly are even able to post an opinion here.. And someone else refers to that as a voice or opinion of reason .
It would overtly appear here as a great deal of bigotry against Palestinians are in danger of manifesting on this thread .
It is easy to put down a people whom have no voice or are even able to have a free moment , in their lives to do something as stupid as engaging the internet opinions when bombs are dropping on your head and have little access
or any access to food or water .
Yes I wrote , " Bigotry " of the worst type . Would just love to see people here live under the circumstances of
Palestinians living in the Gaza strip currently. And perhaps a voice of reason might appear. ????


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23 Dec 2023, 12:30 pm

Can any Hebrew-speaking confirms the accurancy of the translation here?



https://www.youtube.com/shorts/WkpArmSjjac


This lovely lady, if the translation is true, pretty reminds me of WB's Marvin the Martian for wanting to evaporate Earth because it's blocking the nice view to the sun.
What a bugger, let's kill all these inferior "Arabs" for blocking the sea view.



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23 Dec 2023, 12:36 pm

Fricken .. Land Grab..! but this point of veiw , Would require someone to be able to take in the long picture of the immediate situation ... using created and reinforced bigotry to justify these action by Israel . IMHO.
Why no UN or NATO troops involved even yet ??. Watching history repeat itself .


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23 Dec 2023, 12:41 pm

f**k the Bible. f**k the Quran too. They are basically the same book with the same subpar, antihumanistic values concerning morality.

viewtopic.php?t=416853


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23 Dec 2023, 12:42 pm

Jakki wrote:
yes the above post by N P ,does appear to be inflammitory based on WP rules , and wonders what concept of of stupidity the NP is responding too. Am pretty sure my opinion is quite sound . And. other of these people seem to effect and decide each others opinions in real life .. based on my personal experiences . And regarding what Mona P wrote above .. seems to be lacking substance and some credible basis .."As the likelyhood of any Palestinians or , even Hamas" have , or possibly are even able to post an opinion here.. And someone else refers to that as a voice or opinion of reason .
It would overtly appear here as a great deal of bigotry against Palestinians are in danger of manifesting on this thread .
It is easy to put down a people whom have no voice or are even able to have a free moment , in their lives to do something as stupid as engaging the internet opinions when bombs are dropping on your head and have little access
or any access to food or water .
Yes I wrote , " Bigotry " of the worst type . Would just love to see people here live under the circumstances of
Palestinians living in the Gaza strip currently. And perhaps a voice of reason might appear. ????


Can someone please translate this into English for me?

I cant decipher the reason why you think that what I said was "inflammatory".
Nor how what you said (which was anti semitic) was not also at least as inflammatory.



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23 Dec 2023, 1:48 pm

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f**k the Bible. f**k the Quran too. They are basically the same book with the same subpar, antihumanistic values concerning morality.

viewtopic.php?t=416853


Can’t tell which is worse at times. They both promote atrocities tho.



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23 Dec 2023, 1:55 pm

I personally think they are pretty close in terms of awfulness since they both promote violence although I only read the Quran once many years ago.

I found this interesting: “The Old Testament was found to be more than twice as violent as the Quran”

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Killing and destruction are referenced slightly more often in the New Testament (2.8%) than in the Quran (2.1%), but the Old Testament clearly leads—more than twice that of the Quran—in mentions of destruction and killing (5.3%)."

https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-ente ... 63381.html

It's not a contest though. With some things that are in both, it's weird to say that one is inherently worse than the other IMO.


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23 Dec 2023, 2:01 pm

But people not seeing a bigger picture might consider to call me out as a anti semite . When am just presenting what appears to be the obvious facts as presented to the US media.Regarding the situation in Palestine .And their losing their lands and homes . It appears fairly ignorant to me , for Anyone to be supportive of the Israeli side of this conflictWar at this time .!


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