Shooting Spree in Isla Vista, California

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Thanks to PaulaDurbin-Westby for finding this LA Times article
http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-m ... story.html

"Astaire said Elliot had not been diagnosed with Asperger?s but the family suspected he was on the spectrum, and had been in therapy for years. He said he knew of no other mental illnesses"

I did read the manifesto while there was "Aspie" traits of attention to detail, high intelligence, and an obsession, up until middle school the guy had happy childhood with a good amount of friends and socialization. Even in the years he was completely losing it he made an occasional friend. I did not see him write about attempting to talk to females and being rejected by them. He had such a sense of enticement that his idea of being rejected was that females did not throw themselves at him.

There was discussion of his psychological treatment and as posted before he made no mention of Aspergers but did mention social anxiety.



A reminder in my earlier prediction of a rise in hate crimes was not about reaction to this incident but if there is a multiple spree killings by diagnosed Aspies.

What upsets me the most is that the shooter (Elliot) was racist, sexist and misogynist. I hate people who are those things.

It seems pretty clear to me from his manifesto that this dude had SEVERE avoidant personality disorder and narcissistic personality disorder. He was so convinced that women hated him that he never even tried to take any initiative (avoidant), yet he expected them to worship him (narcissistic). He held the belief that he was undesirable to an absolutely delusional intensity. I was bullied even worse that he was, but even I'm pretty sure that I could at least get some drunk sleazebag or someone to sleep with me if I wanted to and approached said drunk sleazebag first. (I'd never want to, though.)

Also, I don't believe for one second that no girl ever checked him out. He probably just couldn't tell. I have almost zero ability to notice guys checking me out. Other people inform me of it, and I just go, "Whuh? Who? Where?"

Sheesh, I thought that reading his manifesto would trigger my bullying-induced PTSD, but it was so disgusting and bizarre that it didn't! He was one shallow, status-seeking, looks-obsessed dude. He was just like "cool kids" who gave me PTSD. But he was an Aspie and couldn't actually succeed as one. TRIPPY. I always knew the "cool kids" were miserable SOBs who knew subconsciously how pathetic it was that their self-esteem was based on others' opinions and what they wore. I guess he's what happens when it's all fully conscious.

He started out extremely depressed and with horrible self-esteem, then as the manifesto went on, became more and more grandiose. I'd say he started off with severe, psychotic depression, then started becoming manic as well. He's certainly the standard age for bipolar to show up. I'm not a professional, but psychology has been a special interest of mine for ages. He seemed to me to be in a severe, psychotic mixed episode in addition to the Asperger's, avoidant personality, and narcissistic personality. Add in the bullying, his parents' divorce, moving so much, his stepmother's abuse and his father's distance, his traumatic exposure to pornographic images, and how shallow and oversexualized and messed up society is, and it's a miracle his victim count wasn't higher! I guess it's good in a way that he was a psychotic mess; if he'd been more lucid, he could have caused much more destruction.

All in all, a fascinating case study for someone with an interest in psychology, but one that I wish never happened.

Now, if you'll excuse me, I need to go pray furiously and then take a shower to wash off the ick from having read that manifesto. I kind of feel like taking a knife with me in case there's a guy in there waiting to kill me for not approaching him! Usually I feel just as bad if not worse for the killer than the victims in this kind of thing (I sure felt bad for Adam Lanza; he was a chilling look at how I could have ended up if a few aspects of my life had been different), but it's going to be hard to pray for this guy's forgiveness. I believe that all evil is created, but he had so much of it...

What a thread ! ! I love the extreme outbursts of emotions ! !!

^ Are you feeding off them and growing stronger?

i have been on CNN.com all morning and have not seen one report on CNN or other news sources i freaquent like MSN Live's news feed saying the Cali shooter had aspergers

Yeah, the lottery thing was nuts. First of all, the dude is already more wealthy than 99% of the world thanks to his dad. And then he literally claimed ownership of every Powerball jackpot ever. Like, when somebody won, he actually said that they had stolen "MY MONEY." I always said that you'd have to be insane to believe "The Secret" isn't BS, and now here's concrete evidence.

Some of the victims have been named:

Cheng Yuan Hong, 20
George Chen, 19
Weihan Wang, 20
Katherine Cooper, 22
Veronika Weiss, 19
Christopher Martinez, 20

CNN

Been reading the coverage on CNN.

Asperger's, maybe maybe not.

What that kid suffered from, unfortunately, was a terminal case of the American Delusion. I-Ought-To-Have Syndrome. Nothing-Less-Than-The-Fantasy-Will-Do Disease.

He was, in other words, the epitome of the media-driven dumbass with too many grandiose dreams and too little grounding in the knowledge that real life, while it bears little (and no more than momentary) resemblance to the fantasy, is quite worth living.

Another handful of victims of sick and delusional ambition. My heart breaks for their families and loved ones. What a sad, sad, sad, sad shame.

Yes the news reports says he was diagnosed as asperger's, but other news outlets also claim that he was hearing voices. That would seem to indicate schizophrenia. The guy doesn't really fit the profile of an aspie, or at least what I consider an aspie. Sure he had social anxiety, threw tantrums, but that was about it, and prior to his warcraft self-medicating binge he was heavily into trying to become whats cool to try to fit in.

He is a tough cookie to properly diagnose. He seems to have a body dismorphic disorder because he is short. Even though he was wealthy, compared to his friends and the lifestyle they had he was really poor by their standards and embarassed. He step mom was a jerk, and so he never invited friends over to his dad's house and later kicked him out. Anyways to compensate for him being "poor", he bought the very best things. He needed to prove to himself and others that he wasn't poor any better than others. A second problem is that he became delusional that it was his destiny to win the lottery because he was destined for great things. So he drove to arizona to play the powerball sometimes $700 at a time-then thrown an hours long crying tantrum because he didn't win. He had aggrandized delusions or narcissism. He was frequently trying to get drunk.

The guy had one ambition in life and that was quite perverse, although at sometimes he hated that part of human biology calling it evil and wanted to ban it. He watched the movie alpha dogs where the main character *mated* several times and died at the end, and he noted that that would be a better life than what he had. He learned the movie was filmed in Santa Barbara which was very promiscuous. So He decided to transfer to UCSB. He didn't move there because he wanted a job, learn a trade, develop a career, or care about learning-he went there to *mate*. Other than a girl named maddy when he was 5, no sense he ever was friends with a girl and his expectation to mate was unrealistic.

He had unreasonable expectations. He admits he has no talents, he admits he wasn't a programmer, aside from his retribution he never thought to the future. Aside from having money, he wasn't anything and didn't have an objective plans of improving himself aside from his visual identity. He complained about being poor, but with all the expensive meals, clothing, rent that he was spending any idiot knows he could have had a nice savings if he had just invested what he wasted. His Lack of financial responsibility also is another trait of schizophrenia.

What is particularly disturbing about this guy is that he thinks he is entitled to women bodies, even saying that women should't have the choice who to mate with but that should be determined by an intelligent civilization. I think his problem is two fold. One is that he hung out with a crowd of the super rich where women would just throw themselves at them to have wealth, the second problem seems to be he got caught up in PUAhate (pick up artist hate). I don't mean to insult PUAhate if I understand them wrong. But prior to the presumably second wave feminist movement, the traditional marriage he reasoned ensured that every guy, even betas males, would have one gal through marriage and afterwords women are flocking to the alpha males[bad boys]-and betas being left out. Indeed we are being left out. It seems the PUA Hate movement sadly blames women for their choices. I am sure many aspies who can recognize part of the argument and are able to understand a greater complexity involved fully knowing that women are great people-but trying to say them would just lead feminist to attack us so real solutions get ignored-To focus on the social problem leads to feminist attacking us because they myopically shift the focus to the individual choice rather the many psycho-social variables that help define a choice. Anyways he got it burned into his head that prior to the feminist movement every male was entitled to a woman and her affections-That supplements his reasoning why he thought they owed them their love and bodily functions. The only merit he seems to have articulate seems to be his wealth, beauty, and so-called magnificence. An Aspie on the other hand would likely highlight their dedication, intelligence, kindness, and loyalty, and when appropriate their careers or career path. This guy simply didn't care about women at all. He went into a kmart special to buy a supersoaker to soak cartwheeling women wishing it was full of boiling oil. That is a characteristic of a sociopath, not of an Aspie.

he counseling he received was useless. First it is doubtful they were dealing with Asperger's but likely schizophrenia-it seems one doctor recognized this but he refused treatment which is his right. Secondly he was engaged in delusional thinking, and delusions are typically treatment resistance. The third thing was the type of help he was receiving was inappropriate. The job trainer for example found him a job as a custodian and here is the son of a second director of the hunger games. Even when his counselors went out in the world with him women focused on the counselors and not at him, and the counselors also verifies his own thinking. He was lucky enough to have a female counselor, but after she moved he likened it to the world first profession; to pay for the reward hurts him later-which is why certain establishments and their "services" in Nevada were not an option. All the help they were trying to give him wasn't tailored to his needs.

His parents were also paying $1800 a month on rent alone for him to live in an apartment. His father was selling naughty photos. Certainly his father could have set him up with one of his models, or heck maybe even purchased a home and let him sublease to women-even "pretty blondes", or maybe his father could have found him a menial job on the set where he could have worked with extremely high profile people including women, or maybe had his son work on a photographers set that specialized entirely with women modeling. Unlike most of us, the guy had connections and money-there was no excuse why they couldn't have done something. It certainly seems like they tried to pass him along as someone else's problem, and certainly he became everyone's problem.

Pretty much what happened wasn't the work of an aspie, but a highly functioning narcissistic schizophrenic probably paranoid in nature comorbid with a body dysmorphic disorder. The real killer wasn't the narcissism, the schizophrenia, nor the mysogyny and certainly not asperger's. It was the involuntary loneliness which spiraled into what is called post traumatic embitterment disorder. i am sure the xanax and Vicodin which he cited didn't help him either, both can lead to anger and perhaps reduced his ability to to abstain from such impulses.