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Just to point out, AM talk radio is not exactly known for its calm, measured discussion of issues. It does have a bit of a reputation for playing to the fears of its targeted audience, be they on the left or right (what? no center? yeah, sorry...). That's why I skip over that band altogether and stick to music; talk radio is just too stressful & yet little if any of their scares actually come to pass. To each their own, though.

I guess it comes down to how you define terrorism. I suppose you could say a mentally ill person can commit a terrorist act but there isn't a coherent ideology behind it rather a sickness whereas These folks in San Bernardino seem like they were radicalized and we're in contact with suspects online being investigated for terrorism links and they found their smashed phones in the trash. It seems they tried to wipe their hard drive too. This wasn't a lonewolf attack, it is only the third time in like 50+ years there was more there as a multiple shooter mass shooting.

It's where I get most of my info. Can't rely on CNN and FOX for everything. Try branching out, you may like it.

I think his family referred to him as a "devout muslim". As it's already reported Syed Farook became devout/religious and undertook a trip to Saudi Arabia after which he came back and purchased automatic weapons and planned the attack with his wife (despite their young baby?) and a third man. It has all the hallmarks of a terror attack invoked in the name of islam.

It also provides a window into the minds of how moderate educated muslims are enticed into becoming "devout" (as confirmed by Farook's own family). More needs to be urgently done on how scriptures in the Quran (when taken at face value as commanded) can potentially radicalise any muslim?? seems to be the one thing western governments are bending over backwards to avoid doing (at least in public).

I think that the FBI and ATF have a good idea what happened. Its two Radicalized Islamists who committed a horrendous act of terrorism. This guy was appearing on the "radar" of the FBI. We know he went to Saudi Arabia several times and visited Radical Islamists websites. He had enough ammo and pipe bombs to start WWIII

Because you have no reason to watch all the congress committee meetings on gun stuff or watch their interviews or search all news for gun control, or pay attention to what's happen in my,con,cal, or the stuff they say they'd pass if they could get the votes or the stuff they tried to pass in my state.

Feinstein's last proposed ban didn't have a grandfather clause and neither does ny's. She's also on record saying if she could get the 62 or whatever votes in congress shed ban all guns turn in your guns misses and mr America.

In California 13 people have confiscated thousands of guns. They do 9 houses a day 365 days a year. Sure it'll take a while but eventually they'll get all the ones on their list. They don't even get warrants they just ask and get let in, if not they go to the next house. Connecticut is just going to wait and if they get called to a house and see u have one then take it then. In Aussie land they set up turn in centers. If all that fails th Feds have been arming the Dhs, postal service, education department and any other federal agency they can with ars and ammo, so they could just put all those to work, along with all the "just following orders" army people who blindly do what their told and the earn citizenship thru service don't care about guns troops. Let's say they get a million people. If 13 can take in thousands a year a million could probably do 10million a year along with the turn in centers etc. it'll take a while yep, besides they don't do them all at once. You start with simi autos, then when those are mostly gon you do bolt guns then repeat with level action/pump and so on. You can also do sections of gun owners at a time. Start with a group people don't care about say aspies, then Muslims, vets. Right now lots of vets are having their rights tsken and now anyone who has a representation payee might be next, most people aren't vets or ssi, so they don't care.

It's how they banned 5.45x39 people who don't shoot that didn't care enough so they banned it, then they tried 5.56 but enough people cared so they backed down. People who only own bolt guns say screw those who own simi autos, they don't own any so who cares, people who can't afford full auto guns threw those under the bus back in 1968. Lots of gun owners say ok ban .50bmg I don't shoot that. Etc. if you slowly boil a lobster it won't know til it's too late.

Fyi assault weapon just means simiauto. Name one simiauto that wasn't originally built for military/police somewhere and that doesn't fire a current or past round used by a military 9mm,45,357,5.57,7.62x39,7.62x54,308/7.62,etc. her new ban would have banned 95% of simi auto guns.

We'd be limited to 22lr wait nope the military used 22lr to practice and train oh well there's .40 til the military adopts it as they considering it. And no simiauto handguns as most are used by a military of some nation somewhere.

So 44mag revolvers I guess. Thank gosh for a republican house and republican few who fought her bill in the senate. The ubc they tried to pass was terrible
Federally licensed gun ranges only and no transferring(i.e. Handing your non family a gun to shoot) like I've never heard of s federal range license. They have to be zoned and I think there's state ones, oh but no shooting for free in the woods.

Then they the recordings of anti gun politicians behind closed walls at anti gun gatherings saying they want to ban all handgun. Etc etc.

I get it though if your not the one under attack it's easier to not notice or care. I'm not as passionate about abortion or gay riots because as a non woman and non gay I don't directly get hurt by it. If your anti gun or just don't care about guns you don't feel the constant attacks against us.

Its hard to look at this and feel that religion has any value. This could've been any religion too, and if it weren't a religion, someone would think of another reason.

"Weapons made for war"? So muzzle loaders and bolt actions, then?



Have you studied how gun control worked right up until the 90's? The groups back then weren't shy about their goals, with names like "The Coalition to Ban Handguns" and such; it wasn't until the NRA suffered an internal coup and grew a spine that the political winds shifted and those groups had to obfuscate what they're about. They're the same organizations run by the same people, do you really think they've changed their beliefs, or just their tactics? At this point, as far as I'm concerned, if they want some new gun laws, they're going to have to trade; I'll give them universal background checks if they give me universal CCW reciprocity and repeals of the NFA and Hughes amendment.



Good question; doubt the people pushing gun control have thought much about it either. All I know, I wouldn't want to be one of the guys trying to carry out that confiscation.



Such as? UBCs that simply make it harder for people to sell their property informally? Pointless and expensive registries (Just ask Maryland or Canada how well they work)? Unproven and easily defeated "microstamping"? An "assault weapons" ban on a class of firearm almost never used in day to day crime?



You think the antis aren't fundraising off this? "Donate now to stop the carnage!! !" type stuff, I imagine.



Based on what, some HuffPo and Mother Jones articles you read, perhaps Salon? I mean, I only know these people personally and all, what's that before some 3rd hand distortion from partisan media?

Also, totally special pleading.



Where do you think the disrespect is coming from?

Did you see they want to ban the m9a3 for sell because it was made as a alternative to the army's new pistol program, even though never adopted. Even though the m9 and m9a1 have been for sell for since the 80s. Because it's a weapon of war even though militaries hardly ever use pistols and their mostly just officer carry pieces that look cool.

Weapons of war cover pretty much all guns, knives, swords, axes, etc.
they stopped the import of bolt action 1903s and super heavy 8 rd simi auto garands(guess it must be the bayonet lug right?) because so many gangs love them 1903s and garands.

PBS: Here’s a map of all the mass shootings in 2015

A mass shooting is defined as an event with 4 or more victims.

Try getting your facts without the exaggeration, hyperbole, and insinuative snark, instead.

bbc.com and npr.com are reliable alternatives.

Talk radio plays on your fears and prejudices to keep you interested. Both the BBC and NPR stick to the facts.

Yes, I can attest to this. Maryland had well over 300 homicides, by the end of November of this year (we blew-past Detroit, and left them in the dust). ALL, I would bet almost anything, were committed with illegally obtained handguns. Handgun laws in Maryland seem to be a waste of paper and ink!

Dox
The other groups were not brought up so I had no reason to say anything. Someone brought up the NRA and I agreed, no special pleading there. Also I really haven't talked much about what my opinions are on the subject. I've mainly stuck to how I don't understand where the fear of a gun ban comes from.

Sly, dox

But to the other points I don't even know what to say. We have a fundamentally different view on the current situation that I don't think can be remedied. So there's not really a point in trying.

Where do you guys get your news on this subject? That's one of the problems with the media these days. The two sides basically have their own news which differ wildly from each other. It's makes it a lot harder to effectively discuss these issues.

Any type of federal gun ban or confiscation would result in a coup, secession, or possibly a civil war. It'll never happen since most soldiers and cops are politically conservative and support the 2nd Amendment. They're not that stupid and want to do things incrementally, boiling a frog, normalizing it, and that's why we can't give an inch.

California has the strictest gun laws in the United States, what difference did it make? Pipe bombs are illegal too but those laws didn't stop this jihadi couple from making them. These terrorists attacked this government building because it was a soft target and they knew they'd face no resistance, "gun-free zones" may as well have a big neon sign above them saying attack here. They go after soft targets, they don't attack those that can fight back, they're not fighting our soldiers or our cops but us so we have to protect ourselves because the reality is that those soldiers and those cops cannot be depended on to protect ourselves and our families and law enforcement says as much. Sheriff Joe called upon the 250,000 CCW carriers in this state to protect us, that number underestimates the real number since those are only the people that register their concealed carry which is not necessary in this state. This isn't the Old West, it's isn't the O.K. Corral every night, this place is safer than I was back home in the segregated ghettos back east from criminals and cops.

I think that last bit is most definitely an exaggeration.

Now supporting constitutional rights for all citizens and opposing baring specific citizens from certain rights due to their religion makes one a bleeding heart liberal? In that case I suppose its a good thing to be.

It would be unconstitutional to ban people from owning guns based on their religion/spirituality....And it wouldn't do anything to stop any of the non-muslims who might commit violence now would it? You are letting hatred blind you.