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24 May 2016, 4:11 pm

There are also men with pee fetishes who would easily take advantage of this washroom fiasco, and you don't need young girls being exposed to people "playing with themselves in the stall next to them."

I was in a mens washroom once, there was another man. I was going number 2, and this man comes in, and there are only two stalls, so he takes the one beside me.

Not 2 minutes later, I hear "fap" "fap" "squish" "squoosh" "fap", etc., and i can see a shadow on the stall floor moving up and down or back and forth. I knew immediately what he was doing. It wasn't to me, he probably brought a magazine in with him, or his Iphone, but it still disgusted me.

I mean...can you not wait till you get home to do "that"??! ! I was gonna say, "dude, do you mind? can you do that in some place other than a public bathroom?" I didn't want to embarrass myself or the guy, just in the off chance he was doing something else.

Now imagine if I was a woman or a young girl...how disgusted or frightened do you think I'd be? I'd be traumatized. I'd never want to go into a public bathroom again.



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24 May 2016, 5:27 pm

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Who cares? From snopes.com:

http://www.snopes.com/nc-bathroom-bill-opposition-leader-a-sex-offender/

nurseangela, again: Please stop.


Next. I don't comment to people who talk down to me.


Angela she's posted a link to an article debunking the article you posted. That is reasonable because it begs the question did you post misinformation? (al-be-it innocently not realising it was such).

We can't just find things that support our own ideas and post them without checking the source.

That's one of the first things we learned in school history classes. Is your source an accurate source? If it isn't it undermines your argument.


I'm back. You know i might have looked at her article, but I'm tired of the way she addresses me. She will get no respect from me until she treats me with some respect.

The problem with saying my source is wrong is that Liberals ALWAYS think my sources are wrong because my sources are from the Conservative side, but they NEVER want to think their Liberal sources are incorrect - God forbid.


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24 May 2016, 5:40 pm

Nursesngela,

Well when you consult the same three or four sources that have a long history of either misrepresenting the truth or just being flat out wrong then yeah people are going to tell you your sources are wrong.

Oh and by the way Edenthiel has been nicer and more polite to you than you have been to half of the people on this forum.



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24 May 2016, 5:41 pm

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So what! We are talking about men having the right to enter women's restrooms where little girls are and the man behind this "movement" is a child molester. Now if you don't see what I'm getting at then I can't help you. I don't care if the guy is a Republican or a freaking Democrat for Christ's sake. He's a damn nut job!


The point was that you were implying that since one LGBT person was a sex offender than they must all be. I can make the same argument. If I can find a list of this many Republicans who are sex offenders then how many more are out there? Maybe Republicans should be banned from using public restrooms.


You know what I love is how no one who is for this policy answers me when I say that a UNIBATHROOM should be made and advertised as such. Why is that? The Trans people don't believe in compromising? That wouldn't be as much fun, would it? It wouldn't be as much fun for Target either because their publicity would end. I hope that all this publicity they are getting bites them in the butt.


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24 May 2016, 5:50 pm

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Unless everyone is allowed to use any bathroom they choose, it's a privilege, not a right. A right by definition is something everyone has. A privilege is something only a select few people have. If transgendered people have the right to use any restroom, then so do cisgendered people.


This is where the UNIBATHROOM comes in.


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24 May 2016, 5:55 pm

Nurseangela,

The additional single bathroom has been addressed. It would be far too expensive. It could also be argued that it's unconstitutional on the grounds of separate but equal, if legislation gets involved.

What is the problem with a transgender male to female going into a women's bathroom with private stalls, doing what she has to do, washing her hands and leaving? Anything that was a crime before this issue got brought up will still be a crime. So I don't understand what the big deal is. Odds are no one would notice anyway.



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24 May 2016, 5:56 pm

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TBH I think it would be very awkward to see a penis in the women's locker room. I am fine with my husband's but I don't want to see my dad's or anyone else's. My son's I don't mind but when he is older I won't want to anymore. If I want to see penises, I will go online and look at porn or go to a nude beach. So I can understand where everyone is coming from when a trans gendered teen wants to dress and undress in the girl's locker room. Why not do it in a stall assuming the toilets have them. Also provide a private shower but no the transgendered might cry discrimination and insist why not have all the cis girls to shower privately and dress and undress in the stall. Hopefully not all of them are like this. Or why not provide only one shower curtain so they can shower privately but then discrimination would still be cried out and insist why not have all the cis girls shower in that shower. I would have to talk to my own daughter about how she feels about it of this happened in her school and then tell the school to accommodate my daughter if she didn't feel comfortable either. If other parents were also asking for the same thing because their own daughters weren't feeling comfortable, then the school has a problem.


^This.
But if you look back several pages, Alex thought that I should be the one to have to use the "family" restroom at TARGET just so the Trans people can have their way. So already its starting that women should be the ones giving up their rights and be sent to the one enclosed restroom and segregated. Screw that.


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24 May 2016, 5:59 pm

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Also, to be clear, does your argument about protecting other women/girls from seeing male genitals, and being seen nude/semi-nude by people with male genitals even when those people are also women/girls, mean that you would be fine with transwomen who had undergone vaginoplasty using the women's locker rooms and bathrooms? If not, why not?


Personally, I would be fine with that for two reasons. One, it offers a protection from straight male perverts who might pretend to be trans. Two, it means that even if the trans person strips naked, no one will be exposed to any genitalia they aren't comfortable with or expecting to see. There is still the issue of people being seen naked by someone they might regard as opposite gender, but to me if someone is willing to undergo that type of surgery they are very committedly trans, and they should be treated wholly as their preferred gender. Other people might not agree with me, though, which brings me back to two things: choice and information. Everyone should have the right to be informed in advance about what's allowed in a bathroom/locker room, and everyone should have the option to use or not use that facility based on that information without penalty.


I agree with this. I'm trying to protect women and girls against the STRAIGHT male perverts.


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24 May 2016, 6:01 pm

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Although LGBT people and transgenders have been around since the dawn of time, this bathroom thing is a relatively new phenomenon.

With a really easy solution.

1. USE THE HANDICAPPED OR FAMILY STALL!! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! They have them at Target and basically every major store, school, or building. I use them, and I'm not transgender or handicapped. I just like the cleanliness and quietness.

2. In a situation where there is no such bathroom available, then go outside. I used to do that, when the handicapped washrooms were occupied at the college I went to. The bathrooms were filthy, they made the entire halls stink like stale urine, feces, and a thin veil of cleaning chemical which was never enough. Also, peeing on the plants is healthy for them. I used to pee in my organic homemade fertilizer, to add extra nutrients.

3. Learn self defense if you're being harrassed in a washroom.

Men and women's washrooms have been separated since the dawn of time for a reason. Privacy, and safety. If I had a daughter, who was 10, it would be inappropriate for me to take her into the mens room, like you would a smaller child (3-6?). I would not feel safe with her going to the bathroom, with a potential predator in the washroom.

Not that all transgenders or even most are predators, but there is always that 0.1% chance that some pervert is going to take advantage of this whole bathroom issue, and there are going to be assaults, harassment, and just general inappropriate behaviour.

It's not worth the 0.1% chance of that happening.

This washroom business has gone way too far. We had a transgender at our highschool, M to F, he still used the male washroom, no one bothered him for it.


^THIS!


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24 May 2016, 6:03 pm

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Also, to be clear, does your argument about protecting other women/girls from seeing male genitals, and being seen nude/semi-nude by people with male genitals even when those people are also women/girls, mean that you would be fine with transwomen who had undergone vaginoplasty using the women's locker rooms and bathrooms? If not, why not?


Personally, I would be fine with that for two reasons. One, it offers a protection from straight male perverts who might pretend to be trans. Two, it means that even if the trans person strips naked, no one will be exposed to any genitalia they aren't comfortable with or expecting to see. There is still the issue of people being seen naked by someone they might regard as opposite gender, but to me if someone is willing to undergo that type of surgery they are very committedly trans, and they should be treated wholly as their preferred gender. Other people might not agree with me, though, which brings me back to two things: choice and information. Everyone should have the right to be informed in advance about what's allowed in a bathroom/locker room, and everyone should have the option to use or not use that facility based on that information without penalty.


I agree with this. I'm trying to protect women and girls against the STRAIGHT male perverts.


You are seriously overestimating the effect this policy will have on the actions of perverts or the response to them.



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24 May 2016, 6:10 pm

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There are also men with pee fetishes who would easily take advantage of this washroom fiasco, and you don't need young girls being exposed to people "playing with themselves in the stall next to them."

I was in a mens washroom once, there was another man. I was going number 2, and this man comes in, and there are only two stalls, so he takes the one beside me.

Not 2 minutes later, I hear "fap" "fap" "squish" "squoosh" "fap", etc., and i can see a shadow on the stall floor moving up and down or back and forth. I knew immediately what he was doing. It wasn't to me, he probably brought a magazine in with him, or his Iphone, but it still disgusted me.

I mean...can you not wait till you get home to do "that"??! ! I was gonna say, "dude, do you mind? can you do that in some place other than a public bathroom?" I didn't want to embarrass myself or the guy, just in the off chance he was doing something else.

Now imagine if I was a woman or a young girl...how disgusted or frightened do you think I'd be? I'd be traumatized. I'd never want to go into a public bathroom again.


This is a very good point - I didn't even know this kind of thing happens. The guy may have been doing that to get some sort of reaction out of you too - like people who flash people do. But, I'm sure the Trans people will dismiss your experience as not important and that you could have even tried to intervene and stop him while you were busy doing your number 2 and that you are a man and should be able to protect yourself and that this experience actually caused you no harm - the same thing as I was told when I was giving a guy a peepshow - it was my problem.


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24 May 2016, 6:12 pm

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Well when you consult the same three or four sources that have a long history of either misrepresenting the truth or just being flat out wrong then yeah people are going to tell you your sources are wrong.

Oh and by the way Edenthiel has been nicer and more polite to you than you have been to half of the people on this forum.


And I'm saying that all of your sources are wrong too - right back atcha.


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24 May 2016, 6:18 pm

nurseangela wrote:
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Also, to be clear, does your argument about protecting other women/girls from seeing male genitals, and being seen nude/semi-nude by people with male genitals even when those people are also women/girls, mean that you would be fine with transwomen who had undergone vaginoplasty using the women's locker rooms and bathrooms? If not, why not?


Personally, I would be fine with that for two reasons. One, it offers a protection from straight male perverts who might pretend to be trans. Two, it means that even if the trans person strips naked, no one will be exposed to any genitalia they aren't comfortable with or expecting to see. There is still the issue of people being seen naked by someone they might regard as opposite gender, but to me if someone is willing to undergo that type of surgery they are very committedly trans, and they should be treated wholly as their preferred gender. Other people might not agree with me, though, which brings me back to two things: choice and information. Everyone should have the right to be informed in advance about what's allowed in a bathroom/locker room, and everyone should have the option to use or not use that facility based on that information without penalty.


I agree with this. I'm trying to protect women and girls against the STRAIGHT male perverts.

Increasing law enforcement and strengthening the laws to keep habitual sex offenders locked up in jail, will go a long way to protecting women and girls against the STRAIGHT male perverts. All this has nothing to do with the plight of transsexuals who suffer the misfortune of having being born into the wrong bodies and are trying to cope in everyday situations of going to a public toilet.



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24 May 2016, 6:19 pm

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The additional single bathroom has been addressed. It would be far too expensive. It could also be argued that it's unconstitutional on the grounds of separate but equal, if legislation gets involved.

What is the problem with a transgender male to female going into a women's bathroom with private stalls, doing what she has to do, washing her hands and leaving? Anything that was a crime before this issue got brought up will still be a crime. So I don't understand what the big deal is. Odds are no one would notice anyway.


With the money that Target had lost over this from customers leaving and stock dropping, they could easily knock out the walls between the bathrooms and make it one whole unibathroom OR how about this - just get rid of the policy and put up UNIBATHROOM signs. You can't get cheaper than that if indeed the money matter is your argument.

And why do you keep ignoring the part where I'm saying the problem is not with Trans people - it's with heterosexual men who are perverts and can abuse this policy?


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24 May 2016, 6:28 pm

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...And why do you keep ignoring the part where I'm saying the problem is not with Trans people - it's with heterosexual men who are perverts and can abuse this policy?

Show us that it's a problem.



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24 May 2016, 6:32 pm

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Also, to be clear, does your argument about protecting other women/girls from seeing male genitals, and being seen nude/semi-nude by people with male genitals even when those people are also women/girls, mean that you would be fine with transwomen who had undergone vaginoplasty using the women's locker rooms and bathrooms? If not, why not?


Personally, I would be fine with that for two reasons. One, it offers a protection from straight male perverts who might pretend to be trans. Two, it means that even if the trans person strips naked, no one will be exposed to any genitalia they aren't comfortable with or expecting to see. There is still the issue of people being seen naked by someone they might regard as opposite gender, but to me if someone is willing to undergo that type of surgery they are very committedly trans, and they should be treated wholly as their preferred gender. Other people might not agree with me, though, which brings me back to two things: choice and information. Everyone should have the right to be informed in advance about what's allowed in a bathroom/locker room, and everyone should have the option to use or not use that facility based on that information without penalty.


I agree with this. I'm trying to protect women and girls against the STRAIGHT male perverts.

Increasing law enforcement and strengthening the laws to keep habitual sex offenders locked up in jail, will go a long way to protecting women and girls against the STRAIGHT male perverts. All this has nothing to do with the plight of transsexuals who suffer the misfortune of having being born into the wrong bodies and are trying to cope in everyday situations of going to a public toilet.


BS. This so called "problem" never came up until now and Trans people are milking it for all its worth. It's not just the bathrooms - it's also the fitting rooms. That's how ludicrous this whole thing has gotten. I also see it as interesting that this all comes up during an election year - the Left is always good at starting up controversial issues during an election year.

And what about everyone else's rights? You think that Trans people are so important that the majority of the population should have to give up their rights? Shouldn't the majority rule?


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