20 Nov 2018, 6:58 pm
envirozentinel wrote:
That's out of line because they are not all like that.
We don't tolerate racism and racist posts but must be fair. Political dialogue means allowing those with opposing views to express themselves as long as they stay within the rules.
We don't tolerate racism and racist posts but must be fair. Political dialogue means allowing those with opposing views to express themselves as long as they stay within the rules.
I'm confused between what you and skilpadde have written.
I can understand if what you're saying is "Don't call another member a deplorable". And that hasn't been what's at issue. The whining has been all about the use of deplorables as a reference term for Trump supporters in general.
So am I to understand that if I wrote in my opinion concerning a news item: "A group of deplorables is planning a rally for Trump next Monday" that this would somehow violate the rules here? That's what's at issue here - and what has not been clarified.
Additionally, if I were to remark that "White supremacists are scum" would this be a violation for possibly hurting the dainty feelings of any white supremacists here?
20 Nov 2018, 8:01 pm
20 Nov 2018, 9:46 pm
thoughtbeast wrote:
I'm confused between what you and skilpadde have written.
I can understand if what you're saying is "Don't call another member a deplorable". And that hasn't been what's at issue. The whining has been all about the use of deplorables as a reference term for Trump supporters in general.
I can understand if what you're saying is "Don't call another member a deplorable". And that hasn't been what's at issue. The whining has been all about the use of deplorables as a reference term for Trump supporters in general.
clinton was wrong to use the term "deplorables" for trump voters, and so is anyone else who uses the term in that context. i don't want to see it here.
thoughtbeast wrote:
So am I to understand that if I wrote in my opinion concerning a news item: "A group of deplorables is planning a rally for Trump next Monday" that this would somehow violate the rules here? That's what's at issue here - and what has not been clarified.
that's fine because you're not the one making that statement, you're quoting someone elses words. the distinction is often missed, but very important. if someone reported you for a personal attack or negative group generalization in that instance, i don't think it would hold any water.
thoughtbeast wrote:
Additionally, if I were to remark that "White supremacists are scum" would this be a violation for possibly hurting the dainty feelings of any white supremacists here?
no...white supremacists aren't a protected group here because of the inherent nature of their ideology. they can f**k off.
20 Nov 2018, 10:03 pm
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20 Nov 2018, 10:04 pm
Kiprobalhato wrote:
no...white supremacists aren't a protected group here because of the inherent nature of their ideology. they can f**k off.
And somehow the inherent nature of trumpism gets a pass here?
Aside: Its refreshing to read thoughtbeast’s posts as he’s speaking up for what’s right. Saying & doing nothing is exactly how evil prevails - the old cliche about good men doing nothing. Thank you, thoughtbeast, for doing something.
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for supporting trump. Because doing so is deplorable.20 Nov 2018, 10:19 pm
goldfish21 wrote:
Kiprobalhato wrote:
no...white supremacists aren't a protected group here because of the inherent nature of their ideology. they can f**k off.
And somehow the inherent nature of trumpism gets a pass here?
Aside: Its refreshing to read thoughtbeast’s posts as he’s speaking up for what’s right. Saying & doing nothing is exactly how evil prevails - the old cliche about good men doing nothing. Thank you, thoughtbeast, for doing something.
Yes, it's soooo refreshing to see another partisan attack on Trump, while ignoring the bigger picture, and the evil that exists on the team you support. I just love it! This country is completely f****d if Americans don't wake up and stop playing this game. Let's just keep rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic. Trump is not the problem, he's a symptom of the problem, and we were a long time in getting here.
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20 Nov 2018, 10:29 pm
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goldfish21 wrote:
Kiprobalhato wrote:
no...white supremacists aren't a protected group here because of the inherent nature of their ideology. they can f**k off.
And somehow the inherent nature of trumpism gets a pass here?
Aside: Its refreshing to read thoughtbeast’s posts as he’s speaking up for what’s right. Saying & doing nothing is exactly how evil prevails - the old cliche about good men doing nothing. Thank you, thoughtbeast, for doing something.
Yes, it's soooo refreshing to see another partisan attack on Trump, while ignoring the bigger picture, and the evil that exists on the team you support. I just love it! This country is completely f****d if Americans don't wake up and stop playing this game. Let's just keep rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic. Trump is not the problem, he's a symptom of the problem, and we were a long time in getting here.
Which team do I support?
Trump is definitely a problem right now.
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goldfish21 wrote:
VegetableMan wrote:
goldfish21 wrote:
Kiprobalhato wrote:
no...white supremacists aren't a protected group here because of the inherent nature of their ideology. they can f**k off.
And somehow the inherent nature of trumpism gets a pass here?
Aside: Its refreshing to read thoughtbeast’s posts as he’s speaking up for what’s right. Saying & doing nothing is exactly how evil prevails - the old cliche about good men doing nothing. Thank you, thoughtbeast, for doing something.
Yes, it's soooo refreshing to see another partisan attack on Trump, while ignoring the bigger picture, and the evil that exists on the team you support. I just love it! This country is completely f****d if Americans don't wake up and stop playing this game. Let's just keep rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic. Trump is not the problem, he's a symptom of the problem, and we were a long time in getting here.
Which team do I support?
Trump is definitely a problem right now.
Did you vote for Democrats in the mid-term elections? If so, you supported them. And why would you do that? They are largely responsible for giving us a Trump presidency. If Hillary and the DNC hadn't elevated Trump in the liberal media in the first place, plus conspiring against Sanders, we wouldn't be in this mess. Of course, we wouldn't be much better off with Hillary - maybe worse when you consider how militant she is.
And if Sanders had been elected, I suspect he would have sold out as well. I have no confidence in politicians. Voting is a meaning less exercise in futility! The only way we can save this country is enough people wake up, educate themselves, throw off the propaganda they've been fed, and force whatever as*holes who hold office accountable for their actions. They might actually do right by the American people if they realize they'll get chucked out on their asses if they don't.
20 Nov 2018, 11:02 pm
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20 Nov 2018, 11:17 pm
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He’s a Canadian and so isn’t involved Or effected by any of it.
Attacking people who support a politician you don’t agree with isn’t righteous.
How long do we have until we have widespread political violence on the streets. The hatred keeps being ramped up by the left.
Disagreement over immigration isn’t a reason to slander and hate someone
Attacking people who support a politician you don’t agree with isn’t righteous.
How long do we have until we have widespread political violence on the streets. The hatred keeps being ramped up by the left.
Disagreement over immigration isn’t a reason to slander and hate someone
The entire world is effected by US domestic & foreign policy, sly. trump & co.’s anti science policies could kill everyone with unnecessary carbon emissions, for one thing.
It is righteous to speak up against evil.
You’ll have to ask trump and the proud boys et al when they’re planning on inciting and escalating violence again.
There are countless articles about violence committed by right wing people, none, or nearly none by left wing people. How can you possibly state that the left is causing political violence in the streets?
Hatred ramped up by the left?
How can you possibly state this given the constant headlines of hateful statements made by trump himself, his administration, or his supporters? Even actual reported hate crimes have risen steadily in America since trump took office and granted the social license, via his words and actions as examples, to bad apples to mistreat others.You think that it’s a simplistic “disagreement over immigration,” that makes someone deplorable?
Hardly. edit: I'm curious what your "disagreement over immigration," is that you think I think makes you deplorable for. What's your take on immigration, sly?
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20 Nov 2018, 11:24 pm
20 Nov 2018, 11:28 pm
Kiprobalhato wrote:
thoughtbeast wrote:
I'm confused between what you and skilpadde have written.
I can understand if what you're saying is "Don't call another member a deplorable". And that hasn't been what's at issue. The whining has been all about the use of deplorables as a reference term for Trump supporters in general.
I can understand if what you're saying is "Don't call another member a deplorable". And that hasn't been what's at issue. The whining has been all about the use of deplorables as a reference term for Trump supporters in general.
clinton was wrong to use the term "deplorables" for trump voters, and so is anyone else who uses the term in that context. i don't want to see it here.
thoughtbeast wrote:
So am I to understand that if I wrote in my opinion concerning a news item: "A group of deplorables is planning a rally for Trump next Monday" that this would somehow violate the rules here? That's what's at issue here - and what has not been clarified.
that's fine because you're not the one making that statement, you're quoting someone elses words. the distinction is often missed, but very important. if someone reported you for a personal attack or negative group generalization in that instance, i don't think it would hold any water.
thoughtbeast wrote:
Additionally, if I were to remark that "White supremacists are scum" would this be a violation for possibly hurting the dainty feelings of any white supremacists here?
no...white supremacists aren't a protected group here because of the inherent nature of their ideology. they can f**k off.
You misunderstood my question. I'll try to clarify.
Here's the first part.
I'm asking whether, if I wrote an opinion statement of my own, in my very own words in reference to some news item, for example, that "A group of deplorables is planning a rally for Trump next Monday" would that violate the rules?
Second,
Also, if it does violate any rule, how is referring to Trump supporters as deplorables different than referring to white supremacists as scum?
The inherent nature of Trumpist ideology is white, racist, xenophobic, hateful fear-mongering that targets children, the disabled, blacks, Hispanics, Muslims and others.
If anything, Trump supporters are worse now than they were when Hillary acknowledged what they were over two years ago; both because those Trump supporters who based their support for Trump on non-hate grounds have now sloughed off, leaving behind the core racists; and because we now have two years of Trumpist rule to show us that this is what Trump actually intended, thus showing up the remaining Trump supporters for what they really are. As I remarked in a response to Kraichgauer the other day, who referred to Trump as a "crypto fascist", he had it right except for the "crypto" part. Trump has now put his hatred on open, public display. So are Trump supporters supposed to now be a protected group whose delicate, tender feelings (illustrated by their chants of "Lock her up! Lock her up!") we dare not touch even in reference to them here for their horrific activities outside of Wrong Planet? Really?
20 Nov 2018, 11:35 pm
goldfish21 wrote:
Kiprobalhato wrote:
no...white supremacists aren't a protected group here because of the inherent nature of their ideology. they can f**k off.
And somehow the inherent nature of trumpism gets a pass here?
Aside: Its refreshing to read thoughtbeast’s posts as he’s speaking up for what’s right. Saying & doing nothing is exactly how evil prevails - the old cliche about good men doing nothing. Thank you, thoughtbeast, for doing something.
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20 Nov 2018, 11:41 pm
^^ & ^:
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