Why do liberals care more about illegal immigrants?

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Many of those MAGA hat wearing kids were shouting "Build the wall!"--an anti-immigration slogan--at a group of Indigenous Americans.

No, the irony of that was not lost on me, but it was surely lost on those ignorant kids.

Lol I think that's very sad.

BTW after reading these previous posts I realize how funny it is when Americans criticize the evil things that other countries like Africa have done (such as genocide) but whenever you point out that Americans have done the same things to people like killing off most of the Native Americans they rationalize themselves by saying "Well ALL countries do terrible things so it's OK that we did it too!", so yeah Americans think other countries doing terrible things is evil but it's all good when they do it.

And no it aint all "in the past". Native Americans are still treated like garbage from what I understand. Try visiting an indian reserve and see just what they have all been reduced to.

It's a similar situation in Canada, there is still a lot of racism and mistreatment of Indigenous people. I grew up near a reserve and went to school with many Native kids from there so I saw a lot of that mistreatment firsthand.

I heard it also happens in Australia where the aborigines are treated pretty badly.

"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it"

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Actually those who study it or obsess on it are doomed to repeat it too. Nobody can really escape the recurring patterns in history, but I digress.

Personally I can be ashamed of the things my ancestors and my people have done (and I can be proud of some things too that weren't so bad) but I shouldn't have to be ashamed of myself for what those people did because I am my own person.

Individual people should not be held accountable for the sins of their ancestors or their countrymen.

I've heard the same. There are many Australians on the forum here--they would know, if any of them are reading this and want to chime in.

yeah I just remembered world war 1 was called "the war to end all wars"

Don't you think sometimes we can learn from our mistakes?

Because I am the grandson of refugees. I don't see people of other cultures as a threat. I might not understand other cultures like I should, but I acknowledge that we are a diverse planet of people.

And I put humanity above my national identity.

I think it depends on the kind of mistakes. Are we always going to have humans killing other humans for various reasons like simple homicidal rage? Yes.

well thats bleak

edit: I remember just around 2004ish rabid conservatives wanting to utterly obliterate the Iraqi culture

Yeah I know it's awful and depressing but it is what it is. As much as I really hate war I don't believe that we will ever be able to put an end to it just like we will never be able to put an end to crime.

Oh yeah, I told someone in PM we are all immigrants in a way because our ancestors came here. This land was originally lived on by Natives until it got discovered. Then the whites came over here and started to just claim land and building and making laws.

Yup Americans are all like "We stole this land fair and square!".

My brother had a teacher who also treated the Natives bad. My brother is a descendant but when he gets too much son, he looks Native. He has the hair and the eye color. She treated them just like how black people are treated. She would have them on one side of the classroom and give them very little attention while giving all her attention to white students. This was on a Indian Reservation so I found it very odd, if she hated Natives so much, why would she teach on a Indian reservation, did she just come there to bully them? But she was eventually fired after too many parents complained. I remember my brother had lot of problems with her and I remember he wasn't doing his school work because of it. Probably because he didn't like how he was being treated so he was like "I am not doing any work by you b***h, you don't deserve my team work." He was only eleven then. Getting him to do his homework from that class was pulling teeth.

My ancestors came to the US in the 1800's so I know they didn't take any land and my other ancestors came to Canada from England and had my great grandmother, she came into the US and had her kids here including my grandmother. One of my great grandmas was a Native and she was treated badly by my ancestors because she was Native. She was my grandfather's mother and she died in 1960. So I have some Natives in my family because one of them married one and my Dad is Native and I am only a descendant because I only have the blood. My grandfather was Native too.

One thing I learned from my mother is textbooks in school tell you all Natives have gone extinct and they have all been killed off by whites. My mom was in her late twenties when she learned they were still alive and living like the rest of us and that her own partner (my father) was a native. They moved out to Montana and she saw them all over and she couldn't believe how textbooks can lie. I bet it was a shock for her because she thought they were all dead and not living anymore. When my other brother was in 1st grade, another student was saying they were all dead now and my little brother said "No they aren't, my dad is an Indian, my Grandpa is an Indian." My mom told me that story. I never thought they were dead probably because I had seen them before when we would go to a Pow wow in Montana. I never ever heard they were all dead and my school didn't teach it either. We all moved to Montana when I was in 7th grade so that is probably why. I don't know if schools are still saying they are all dead.

No one in my family also never had any slaves. They came from Europe is why and one of them was a Native so she was already here. I have no idea if she was ever involved in killing any whites or was ever involved in any trading. I know that is what Natives did then too because they thought the Pioneers were going to take their land than just passing through to head out west. Some attacked, some only traded so not all of them attacked whites. Instead they would make blankets or shoes and stuff to trade with them to get things so it worked out for them. Not all whites attacked Natives to get their land.

I had no idea Indians were actually called Native Americans. It was when I moved to Montana when I learned it. But it makes perfect sense to call them that because an Indian is someone from India so it would get confusing if we said Indian for both.