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I haven't seen republicans praise Trump on the hyperbolic level that democrats condemn him. Basically them just saying they think he's doing a good job gets interpreted as worship.

Last edited by EzraS on 31 Mar 2020, 10:37 pm, edited 1 time in total.

Exactly so! They seem blind to Trump's past history as a dirty businessman, a cheapskate, a conman, with connections to organized crime and the Russian government/oligarchs. Such a blindness is either due to willful moral blindness, or just plain old stupidity.

Says who? Democrats have condemned Trump as a liar, a wannabe strongman autocrat, a narcissist, and for selling his country out to Russia, but have never really imagined him as the Antichrist in some sot of evangelical literalist Biblical fantasy. And never, never, had Democrats ever imagined Obama as a God sent Chosen One; just a progressive the American people could have put their hopes in.

Of course not, you live here in the Pacific Northwest, one of the more civilized parts of the country, just like I do. Go to other places in the country, and you'll find blatant Trump worship. Pat Robinson, that old religious fraud, even recently said that disobeying Trump was the same as disobeying God.

I once posted scriptures to you such as Romans 13:1 that says God chooses presidents ie the president is the chosen one of God.

"Let every soul be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and the authorities that exist are appointed by God. 2 Therefore whoever resists the authority resists the ordinance of God, and those who resist will bring judgment on themselves." Romans 13:1 NKJV

Then you must also concede that those Republicans who opposed Obama were against God.

So...when nearly everything someone says, (like most of your posts), are completely unsatisfactory, wrong, dangerous, reckless, selfish, too little, too much etc., do you actually believe those who observe such idiocy are mere "haters"?

Has it ever occurred to you to question your worldview? Is it at all possible that you are the INVERSE of a rabid Trump hater, that you are a pathetic "follower" and have been brainwashed to the point that you can see NO WRONG in his actions and words, no matter how completely unsatisfactory, wrong, dangerous, reckless, selfish, too little, too much etc. they are?

Did you see his press conference today?

I'll say it... It is absolutely necessary to invoke Article 25. He is now a danger to the lives of millions. And so are those who continue to defend the indefensible.

When he was elected, I was shocked at the stupidity of those who voted for him. Nonetheless, I admit that I didn't know enough about Trump to realize that any optimistic attitudes I had (and I DID have them), the hope that he would change, that he would mature...grow...in office, as many presidents have done, according to scholars, were completely ignorant. I was a fool. I actually chose to wait him out, for a while. I wanted him to "let the weight of the office sink in" and become the leader no one ever imagined he could be (except the nutballs that voted for him).

I told people who were saying they were packing up for Canada that they needed to give Trump some time. I figured, even a self-obsessed con-artist like Trump would have to "sober up" once the head of National Security and the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs briefed him on the true state of the world, the "secrets" that none of the rest of us are privy to. I told people, who only days earlier I had told that though Hillary Clinton may have been the most dangerous president in our time, Trump would be infinitely worse, that I was speaking in near hyperbole, stating an educated guess as a scientific fact. I admit, I was a fool.

I don't hate Trump because he's a liar, a cheat, a spoiled man-brat who made his fortune (that he then lost and now owes to Russian oligarchs) off of his father's money and a total lack of scruples. I hate him because he is a traitor. His name will go down in history as the replacement for the terms "Mudd" and "Benedict Arnold" as the greatest betrayers of everything our nation is supposed to represent. It no longer does, of course, to the rest of the world, represent anything that it used to. The racists who called Obama a "socialist Muslim atheist communist" all things that negate one another in some way, accused Obama of lowering the world's estimation of America. That's funny, considering the fact that he was greeted as a hero in nearly every nation he visited, both AS president and after. These pond scum who support the King of the Swamp consistently fail to think, to learn, to merely...observe. Trump is almost universally REVILED in the countries we have, until recently, held as our closest allies. The Baby Trump Blimp flies wherever free speech as allowed. Yes, he is cheered when he visits certain countries. These are not countries where they are allowed to fly the blimp.

Me? A Trump hater? Of course. But before that, I called Obama a traitor for the unlawful, unconstitutional, and extrajudicial MURDER of a 16 year-old in Yemen, who, when the State Department spokesperson was asked asked a question about said, "He shouldn't have had a terrorist for a father." The boy was singled out and murdered by a drone...AFTER his father, a former CIA operative "Muslim mouthpiece" who chose to join Al Qaeda because they offered him more money and a better health plan, was CONFIRMED DEAD from a drone strike the day before. He was born and raised in Denver, Colorado and spent the majority of his time playing video games online with his old classmates.

When Hillary was considered "the presumptive nominee" of the Democratic Party, I JOINED the party so that I could campaign AGAINST her. On election night, 2016, I was fascinated by the election of a war hawk, power-hungry woman, making history while making me VERY nervous.

Only uneducated morons with no understanding of geopolitics, economics, or recent history were comfortable with the choice we were afforded. Yet, the choice was clear. Hillary was a beast (still is) and would most likely hand over even more power to the corporations and the executive branch, but she would do so with the understanding that she had to EARN re-election, and I was ready to march in the streets (and made that declaration ahead of the election) once she showed her colors.

In a simplistic, ignorant, bumper sticker mentality such as yours, EzraS, you think anyone who sees this president for who he really is must merely "have it in for him." Thankfully, we're not all as shallow and stupid as you are.

Trump is almost as much a threat to my life and my country as Covid19. He deserves to rot in Hell, but since I don't believe in Hell as anything but a metaphor, I'll settle with him being tarred and feathered.

Pence has probably kept his nose clean, as clean as a nose shoved perpetually up Trump's ass. So we'll just need to hope he's smart enough to stay low-key if we can get Trump out of office by Article 25.

Even if Ezra concedes that point, the people who believe it would just claim that Obama was God punishing America or something along those lines. They don't care if people who disagree accept their reasoning, because anyone who disagrees is a tool of the devil or similar illogic.

Dodging again, instead of admitting to the fact that the bible says the president is the chosen one of God, rather than that being a loony fundie concept.

And yet the early Christians chose to disobey their secular leaders by refusing to worship the Emperor, or by rejecting Christ. Sometimes civil disobedience is a necessity.
Actually, it was us Lutherans who especially stressed that point when our allies were secular princes who stood up to the Papacy, not the Anabaptists who were the theological forebears of today's fundies.
I see you conveniently chose not to answer my question.

Cool rant. Full of incorrect assumptions about me, but superb raving nonetheless.

Still dodging.

Does the bible say the president is the chosen one of God? Yes or No?

So, Ezra and Bill, you guys are combining to make a lovely point about how fundy literalists are also hypocrites who will change the goal posts whenever it suits their point.

Yes, the bible says that Ezra, Bill's still right that the people who take that quote literally now wouldn't have done so when Obama was president. Your argument misses the reality of how the people who claim to believe that idea pick and choose what they consider important whenever it suits them, you're treating them as more sincere than they actually are. It's not really dodging to point out that you're ignoring reality and asking a question that's ultimately irrelevant and beside the point.

Just a tangent, but I'm not sure it's fair to call the Anabaptists the forerunners of the totalitarian fundies in America in our era. They weren't willing to use force to impose their form on the faith. Look to other protestant sects of the era for the forebears of that, the ones who were willing to use force to convert people.

Actually, Anabaptists under John of Leyden had taken control of the city of (I believe) Munster by force, where, declaring himself King David, had started mass executions. He was dealt with by secular authorities in surrounding principalities. The peasant movement, which Luther had originally supported as their demand for increased rights was justified, was soon taken over by Anabaptist radicals who decided to jump start the apocalypse with the Peasant War. Luther switched his support to the civil authorities, and the peasants, who had suffered the most from both sides, ended up getting the shaft. It was Anabaptists like the Mennonites and others who were pacifists, though others continued to resemble today's evangelicals with their notions of taking part in God's wrath in the "End Time."

Fair enough, I hadn't realized the people he was addressing in Against the Murderous, Thieving Hordes of Peasants were part of the Anabaptists, it's mostly the Mennonites that I'm familiar with. Apparently one of the outcomes of that whole ordeal was the Mennonites emerging as a distinct sect based on criticisms the Dutch Anabaptists had of the Münster Anabaptists. The more yah know.

Please don't think I'm demonizing all those of the Anabaptist persuasion, as that was not my intent. And while I myself am a practitioner of the Lutheran faith, I hardly believe that old man Luther was perfect, or that the verbal abuse he scalded others with (Anabaptists, Jews, etc.) was justifiable.