Anyone else sick and tired of being forced to where a mask?

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Tempus Fugit
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26 Dec 2020, 8:31 pm

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The second part of my point is that since I am questioning or being critical, then the conclusion is that I must be one of those covidiot anti-maskers.


That is because people question what they disagree with or are critical about what they disagree with. Why be critical or even question if you are in agreement? Normally people are in disagreement until they get enough evidence to be convinced and they are not going to keep arguing against it and be all critical about it.


The problem is how quickly and easily some people agree lock stock and berrel. There's an in-between area of total acceptence and total disagreement. One can exercise a mixture of acceptance and disagreement or disapproval. Most every situation has pros and cons. Things should be weighed out.



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26 Dec 2020, 10:29 pm

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The media is not telling anyone to wear masks. They are just reporting what the medical experts are ordering and the state gov deciding to make that order because of the medical experts. They want to end corona and keep it down. Not have a bunch of people get sick and die.

People are not wearing masks because the media is saying so, they are wearing them due to what information that was put out there by doctors.

Now if so many people were not against it, the state would not have had to step in and make this order and having to do shut downs to force social distancing. If it was only some people not taking it so seriously, I dont think we would be in this mess.

The bacode on forehead thing was a weak anology. And a fallacy.


I didn't say the media. I said the government.

As for the media, when Dr. Fauci lied about face-masks being ineffective to keep the general public from depleting the current face-mask supply, most people heard/read what Fauci said through the media. So by extension the medea was spreading a lie.

Also if you're going to declare that my analogy was weak and a fallacy, you should explain why.


So when "the government" says there's "voter fraud", we have to take it seriously, but if "the government" say there's a "pandemic", it's all made up. Seems like you're picking and choosing your rules when it suits you.

"When fauci lied"...? That's more than a bit of a misrepresentation. If you're going to claim someone was lying, you should explain how.

As for your analogy, there's a massive difference between a small slightly inconvenient face covering for a valid public health reason (regardless of your personal opinion of that reason), and a permanent symbol etched into one's face "just because we said so". Like, what, the government is just ordering people to do things to see if they will do it, like some kind of totalitarian Simon-Says? And everyone is too stupid to notice? Except you of course...

C'mon now... :roll:

On a side note, if you're going to accuse me of making strawman arguments, you should explain why, and not just say they are. Don't invoke a rule you don't follow yourself.

Yeah, it's crazy how quickly and easily people sometimes agree on things, like the earth being round, or electricity being the movement of electrons (electr icity / electr on - what a wild coincidence!), or other real world things.

Sure, believing in a pandemic - a thing that has happened before, many times, including recent history - is somehow absurd. But believing in a mass conspiracy between "the media" (but only the media that says things you don't like - media that agrees with you is a-ok :wink: ) and "the government" (but only when the government says things you don't like - but when the government says things you do like, they're a-ok :wink: ) and "lying doctors" (as in doctors that say things you don't like - but doctors that validate you are a-ok :wink: ) all working in unison to make people wear masks just to make people jump through hoops so that they can eventually hokey pokey simon-says everyone into brainwashed soldier bots (who knew it was that easy?) in order to subjugate the nation, is perfectly reasonable to believe?

C'mon now...

Health emergencies on national or global levels are fairly common, in the bigger scheme. They seem much more plausible than the "Liberal A-Blue-Minati covertly securing their Blue World Order".

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In general, I'm less bothered by having to wear a mask, and more bothered that people genuinely think wearing one deprives you of oxygen and poisons you with carbon dioxide - which, if true, mountains would be littered with the bodies of dead skiiers and snowboarders having asphyxiated while wearing face coverings during heavy activity, hospitals would be filled with suffocating surgeons and nurses, and people would be dying in their sleep if the sheets happened to cover their faces, not to mention motorcycle riders...

Throw in the claim that masks don't stop the virus - but do stop breathing somehow? - and it gets even weirder. If masks don't stop viruses n stuff, why do doctors bother to wear them? Especially if they're only suffocating and poisoning themselves if they do wear them? Oh, right, "liberal mind control". Starting with masks, for some reason...



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26 Dec 2020, 11:08 pm

^You forgot the part where Big Pharma is paying doctors to wear masks and pretend covid is real. :lol: :lol: :lol:

Oh, and Bill Gates/George Soros want to microchip you with the vaccine. :roll: :roll: :roll:

Other than that you pretty much nailed it. 8)


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26 Dec 2020, 11:25 pm

I understand what you are saying. Masks are recognized as a means of helping control the spread of germs. However, most public health units of most countries I know of that are issuing mask orders, are also listing certain exceptions to their mandatory mask policy.

However, most people seem to be unaware that there are any legitimate exceptions. For this reason, a lot of hate, harassment and prejudice is being directed towards people who really cannot safely wear them. When we ask people to wear masks, I think it is important to be polite and considerate because they may have a legitimate reason not to. I wouldn't want to ask anyone to do something that is destructive to their own health, even for the benefit of protecting others from the perceived danger of their germs.

Social distancing and handwashing are very important too. It would be good if everyone could just do as much as they reasonably can, and keep extra distance and reduce unnecessary contact with others during the height of the pandemic especially if they have difficulty with the masks.

Most of all, I just wish people would be kinder to one another. Wearing a mask is just one of many ways to show respect and concern for others. We have to give people the benefit of the doubt if we see them without a mask.

I do wear a face covering in public BTW. But I do not judge other people who say that they cannot for health or disability reasons.



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27 Dec 2020, 12:01 am

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I don't know for sure if Fauci lied then or later claimed that he was lying.

Fauci says he doesn't regret telling Americans not to wear masks at the beginning of the pandemic
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Dr. Anthony Fauci says he doesn't regret joining other Trump administration public health experts in advising Americans against buying masks early on in the COVID-19 pandemic.

In an interview with CBS Evening News anchor and 60 Minutes correspondent Norah O'Donnell published in InStyle magazine, Fauci, the nation's top infectious disease expert, defended his credibility amid a steady stream of attacks on his expertise and trustworthiness from the White House.

In late February and early March as the COVID-19 outbreak began accelerating in the US, hospitals and health facilities experienced severe shortages of personal protective equipment for healthcare workers. In response, experts like Fauci and the US Surgeon General Jerome Adams advised Americans against wearing masks.

"I don't regret anything I said then because in the context of the time in which I said it, it was correct. We were told in our task force meetings that we have a serious problem with the lack of PPEs and masks for the health providers who are putting themselves in harm's way every day to take care of sick people," Fauci told O'Donnell.

"When it became clear that the infection could be spread by asymptomatic carriers who don't know they're infected, that made it very clear that we had to strongly recommend masks," he said.

"And also, it soon became clear that we had enough protective equipment and that cloth masks and homemade masks were as good as masks that you would buy from surgical supply stores," Fauci added. "So in the context of when we were not strongly recommending it, it was the correct thing


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27 Dec 2020, 2:29 am

Oh yeah, now I remember. He was telling people to not buy masks and that they don't protect you from the virus. I remember there were shortages on masks and now we don't have that problem anymore. That is because companies started making them now as fashion and public places started to provide them to people who don't have a mask. People also started to make them to sell them online. I bought a pair for my kids on ebay. I also found some Unicorn ones for my daughter at Ross.

But this was at the very beginning when the pandemic started and we know more now.


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27 Dec 2020, 5:08 am

We are not to question this or express having any problem with it.

Those who do should be mocked, ridiculed, ostracized...



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27 Dec 2020, 5:52 am

League_Girl wrote:
Oh yeah, now I remember. He was telling people to not buy masks and that they don't protect you from the virus. I remember there were shortages on masks and now we don't have that problem anymore. That is because companies started making them now as fashion and public places started to provide them to people who don't have a mask. People also started to make them to sell them online. I bought a pair for my kids on ebay. I also found some Unicorn ones for my daughter at Ross.

But this was at the very beginning when the pandemic started and we know more now.


The point I was trying to make is that I don't know for sure why he did a 180 on that. I know the explanation he gave, but I don't know for sure how truthful it is. Wearing facemasks doesn't bother me. What bothers me is the notion that we're supposed to have 100% trust in what we're being told.



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27 Dec 2020, 6:07 am

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I understand what you are saying. Masks are recognized as a means of helping control the spread of germs. However, most public health units of most countries I know of that are issuing mask orders, are also listing certain exceptions to their mandatory mask policy.

However, most people seem to be unaware that there are any legitimate exceptions. For this reason, a lot of hate, harassment and prejudice is being directed towards people who really cannot safely wear them. When we ask people to wear masks, I think it is important to be polite and considerate because they may have a legitimate reason not to. I wouldn't want to ask anyone to do something that is destructive to their own health, even for the benefit of protecting others from the perceived danger of their germs.

Social distancing and handwashing are very important too. It would be good if everyone could just do as much as they reasonably can, and keep extra distance and reduce unnecessary contact with others during the height of the pandemic especially if they have difficulty with the masks.

Most of all, I just wish people would be kinder to one another. Wearing a mask is just one of many ways to show respect and concern for others. We have to give people the benefit of the doubt if we see them without a mask.

I do wear a face covering in public BTW. But I do not judge other people who say that they cannot for health or disability reasons.


Those people can wear face shields or stay home.


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27 Dec 2020, 6:11 am

Tempus Fugit wrote:
We are not to question this or express having any problem with it.

Those who do should be mocked, ridiculed, ostracized...


Because what he said makes sense and why. Also, these are public health doctors/epidemiologists, not ignorant people. Who are you and what are your credentials to question them?

And yes, anyone who refuses to show such minimal & simple sign of respect (by wearing a mask) for doctors/frontline healthcare workers, public health officials, law enforcement, and last but not least; their fellow citizens, Should be mocked, ridiculed, and ostracized. Now you’re learning! :)


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27 Dec 2020, 6:12 am

purpleflourishes wrote:
I understand what you are saying. Masks are recognized as a means of helping control the spread of germs. However, most public health units of most countries I know of that are issuing mask orders, are also listing certain exceptions to their mandatory mask policy.

However, most people seem to be unaware that there are any legitimate exceptions. For this reason, a lot of hate, harassment and prejudice is being directed towards people who really cannot safely wear them. When we ask people to wear masks, I think it is important to be polite and considerate because they may have a legitimate reason not to. I wouldn't want to ask anyone to do something that is destructive to their own health, even for the benefit of protecting others from the perceived danger of their germs.

Social distancing and handwashing are very important too. It would be good if everyone could just do as much as they reasonably can, and keep extra distance and reduce unnecessary contact with others during the height of the pandemic especially if they have difficulty with the masks.

Most of all, I just wish people would be kinder to one another. Wearing a mask is just one of many ways to show respect and concern for others. We have to give people the benefit of the doubt if we see them without a mask.

I do wear a face covering in public BTW. But I do not judge other people who say that they cannot for health or disability reasons.


The hatred attitude is troubling.



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27 Dec 2020, 6:13 am

Tempus Fugit wrote:
League_Girl wrote:
Oh yeah, now I remember. He was telling people to not buy masks and that they don't protect you from the virus. I remember there were shortages on masks and now we don't have that problem anymore. That is because companies started making them now as fashion and public places started to provide them to people who don't have a mask. People also started to make them to sell them online. I bought a pair for my kids on ebay. I also found some Unicorn ones for my daughter at Ross.

But this was at the very beginning when the pandemic started and we know more now.


The point I was trying to make is that I don't know for sure why he did a 180 on that. I know the explanation he gave, but I don't know for sure how truthful it is. Wearing facemasks doesn't bother me. What bothers me is the notion that we're supposed to have 100% trust in what we're being told.


Who tf else are you going to trust to give you information during a global pandemic besides your country’s top doctor/epidemiologist? :?


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27 Dec 2020, 6:18 am

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Tempus Fugit wrote:
We are not to question this or express having any problem with it.

Those who do should be mocked, ridiculed, ostracized...


Because what he said makes sense and why. Also, these are public health doctors/epidemiologists, not ignorant people. Who are you and what are your credentials to question them?

And yes, anyone who refuses to show such minimal & simple sign of respect (by wearing a mask) for doctors/frontline healthcare workers, public health officials, law enforcement, and last but not least; their fellow citizens, Should be mocked, ridiculed, and ostracized. Now you’re learning! :)


That pretty much verifies what I was saying earlier.



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27 Dec 2020, 6:20 am

I think he was being facetious....

COVID is not some paranoiac vision conjured up by the “Deep State.”



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27 Dec 2020, 6:22 am

goldfish21 wrote:
Tempus Fugit wrote:
League_Girl wrote:
Oh yeah, now I remember. He was telling people to not buy masks and that they don't protect you from the virus. I remember there were shortages on masks and now we don't have that problem anymore. That is because companies started making them now as fashion and public places started to provide them to people who don't have a mask. People also started to make them to sell them online. I bought a pair for my kids on ebay. I also found some Unicorn ones for my daughter at Ross.

But this was at the very beginning when the pandemic started and we know more now.


The point I was trying to make is that I don't know for sure why he did a 180 on that. I know the explanation he gave, but I don't know for sure how truthful it is. Wearing facemasks doesn't bother me. What bothers me is the notion that we're supposed to have 100% trust in what we're being told.


Who tf else are you going to trust to give you information during a global pandemic besides your country’s top doctor/epidemiologist? :?


So you'll do absolutely anything he says regarding the virus without an iota of doubt?



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27 Dec 2020, 6:30 am

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I think he was being facetious....

COVID is not some paranoiac vision conjured up by the “Deep State.”


No but apparently for some the idea of questioning or having any kind of a problem with anything we're being told, amounts to someone being paranoid, idiotic, insane, perhaps even criminal...