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04 Jul 2022, 2:21 pm

The temper tantrum in the beast is relevant to establishing criminal intent, i.e. the violent attack on the Capitol was the goal of the twice impeached former defeated ex-president.

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04 Jul 2022, 9:49 pm

Just listen to the Cassidy Hutchinson edition.. umm, yeah. How can he not be indicted on multiple charges?

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04 Jul 2022, 11:32 pm

goldfish21 wrote:

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goldfish21 wrote:

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Has all the collusion, treason and federal crimes boiled down to grabbing a steering wheel?

No.

Have you watched/listened to the J6 hearings?

Hell no. But I come across comments from others who have. Seems lately all I hear about is Trump trying to grab a steering wheel. I will watch the highlights though, if Trump actually gets indicted for anything. I'd probably be more tuned into the hearings if Trump was actually still the president.

If this topic interests you at all, whether you're pro or anti-trump, why wouldn't you give 'em a watch/listen to be informed directly vs. just read others' comments about it ?

You'd have your own informed opinion about what's been presented that way, as well as be able to have informed conversations with others about it all - which is better, IMO.

After years of hearings, I only have a peripheral interest.

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05 Jul 2022, 7:13 am

When the dust settles there will be two things that come out of these hearings

1. Trump will wriggle out of this and contest the 2024 elections knowing he can act like a criminal and simply claim "fake news"
2. White chief of staff Mark Meadows was so incompetent he left the running of national security to a 23 year old bimbo who was fresh out of college and doesn't know how to keep her mouth shut :lol:

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05 Jul 2022, 4:33 pm

Ok calling Casey Hutchins a "bimbo" was uncalled for...but my point is why is somebody who is basically an young intern left to run the security of the US state during the Jan 6 riots?

Like Bill Clinton temporarily letting Monica Lewinsky handle the codes to the US nuclear arsenal.

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12 Jul 2022, 4:54 pm

Cheney says Trump called a Jan. 6 committee witness after its last hearing

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Rep. Liz Cheney, R-Wyo., revealed Tuesday during the Jan. 6 committee's seventh hearing that former President Donald Trump called a witness in the probe after the previous hearing on June 28.

"After our last hearing, President Trump tried to call a witness in our investigation — a witness you have not yet seen in these hearings," Cheney said in her closing statement. "That person declined to answer or respond to President Trump’s call, and instead alerted their lawyer to the call. Their lawyer alerted us."

Let me say one more time: We will take any efforts to influence witness testimony very seriously," she said.

'Unhinged': At Trump Oval Office meeting, shouting nearly devolved to blows

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An Oval Office meeting over Donald Trump’s efforts to overturn the 2020 election became so heated that staff could hear shouting from outside the room and participants nearly came to blows, the Jan. 6 committee revealed during Tuesday's hearing.

"The meeting has been called 'unhinged,' 'not normal' and the 'craziest meeting of the Trump presidency,'" said Rep. Jamie Raskin, D-Md., who led part of the hearing.

The explosive hours-long meeting became the focal point of the hearing, in which the committee made the case that a group of outside advisers tried to persuade the former president to invoke a national emergency to stop himself from being ousted from office while White House aides argued forcefully in opposition.

On one side of the fight White House lawyers argued there was no evidence of widespread election fraud and no ground to challenge the results. On the other was a colorful cast of outside Trump advisers exploring ways to keep the 45th president in power — by any means necessary.

In video-taped depositions, at least a half dozen participants described in vivid detail what transpired in the more than six-hour marathon meeting that stretched late into the night on Dec. 18, 2020, and ultimately spurred Trump’s tweet calling his supporters to Washington on Jan. 6 for a "wild" rally.

Earlier that evening, then-White House counsel Pat Cipollone got a call that he should head to the Oval Office immediately. When he walked in, he told the committee he was “not happy” with the characters he saw in the room.

There was attorney and conspiracy theorist Sidney Powell, disgraced former national security adviser Michael Flynn, and a man named Patrick Byrne, whom he would later find out was the former CEO of Overstock.

“I walked in and said, ‘Who are you?’ and he told me,” Cipollone testified in reference to Byrne. “I don’t think any of these people were providing the president with good advice so I didn’t understand how they had gotten in.”

Powell told the committee her group had been granted a meeting with Trump without an appointment. They met with Trump for about 10 to 15 minutes discussing baseless conspiracy theories including that votes had been illegally switched on Dominion voting machines, which were used to rig elections in Venezuela, before Cipollone burst into the room.

She says Trump was “very interested” in her theories.

General Flynn took out a diagram that supposedly showed IP addresses all over the world, and who was communicating with whom via the machines,” Herschmann said. “And some comment about, like, Nest thermostats being hooked up to the internet.”

Flynn pleaded the Fifth when asked by the committee about the Dominion voting machines.

Powell told the panel that Cipollone and Herschmann “showed nothing but contempt and disdain of the president.” And she said, at one point in the meeting, Trump had actually granted her security clearance and appointed her special counsel to investigate the election, though Cipollone disputed that she had any authority.

'Call to arms': Jan. 6 panel argues Trump summoned the violent extremists

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The day after an explosive Oval Office meeting in which a motley crew of outside advisers clashed with White House lawyers over a plan to seize voting machines, then-President Donald Trump turned his focus to riling up his supporters for the Jan. 6 push to stop the counting of electoral votes, according to evidence presented at Tuesday's House committee hearing.

Two longtime Trump advisers, Michael Flynn and Roger Stone, were in contact with leaders of the violent extremist groups the Proud Boys and the Oath Keepers, according to text messages and photographs produced by the committee — although Stone, through a lawyer, disputed having participated in a text chain. The two groups began working together for the first time after Trump issued his call for a rally in Jan. 6, 2021, in Washington, the panel said.

One witness, Stephen Ayres, who has pleaded guilty to disorderly conduct after he entered the Capitol on Jan. 6, said he hadn't planned to march until Trump called on the crowd at a "Stop the Steal" rally to march to the Capitol to encourage Republican lawmakers to block certification. Ayres said he went thinking Trump would accompany the mob.

"We basically just followed on what he said," Ayres said. "I think everybody thought he was going to be coming down. ... I believed it."

The evidence the committee presented Tuesday is designed to fit into its broader case that Trump resorted to inciting violence after he learned that he had lost the election and had no legal means to prevent a peaceful transfer of power. The panel portrayed the weeks after the November 2020 election as a time of desperation for Trump, during which he considered strategies his own lawyers viewed as detrimental to the nation and his close confidants encouraged the extremist groups that led the attack on the Capitol.

Ultimately, siding with White House lawyers against his informal advisers, Trump declined to seize voting machines, even as he insisted publicly — against all evidence — that he was the victim of widespread electoral fraud.

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12 Jul 2022, 10:35 pm

This was supposed to wrap up at the end of June.

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13 Jul 2022, 4:55 am

Matrix Glitch wrote:

This was supposed to wrap up at the end of June.

It seems there's a lot more evidence to share than first thought.. that's what happens when more and more witnesses keep coming forward.

Hopefully it all results in something vs. just political theatre on TV. In a perfect world trump would be convicted of sedition/seditious conspiracy and barred from holding public office ever again. Even if he serves zero days in jail, that'd be more effective than a twitter ban.

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13 Jul 2022, 7:27 am

John Bolton on CNN: I've "helped plan coups d'état" — and apparently Trump's was crap

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Former national security adviser and UN ambassador John Bolton admitted during a televised interview Tuesday that he has helped plan coups in other countries.

Bolton, who served as Donald Trump's national security adviser and before that as ambassador to the UN under George W. Bush, appeared on CNN to discuss the congressional committee investigating the Jan. 6, 2021, attack on the U.S. Capitol.

After Bolton claimed that Trump's lies about the 2020 presidential election that provoked last year's Capitol attack were not part of "a carefully planned coup d'état aimed at the Constitution," host Jake Tapper said that "I don't know that I agree with you, to be fair, with all due respect. One doesn't have to be brilliant to attempt a coup."

Bolton responded that "I disagree with that. As somebody who has helped plan coups d'état, not here, but, you know, other places, it takes a lot of work. And that's not what he did."

Jake Tapper follows up on John Bolton's past coup planning.

Bolton: "I’m not going to get into the specifics, but--"

Tapper: "Successful coups?"

Bolton brings up the failed Venezuelan coup, prompting Tapper to add: "I feel like there’s other stuff you’re not telling me."

Tapper followed up on the coup comments, and Bolton — who also held previous roles in the administrations of Ronald Reagan and George H.W. Bush — initially said, "I'm not gonna get into the specifics."

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13 Jul 2022, 10:33 am

Haven't watched the latest one just yet.. but: oath keepers, proud boys, crazy 6 hour meeting at the white house.. etc - I've heard the cliff notes in news clips. Evidence continues to be overwhelmingly against trump. Add in another attempt at witness tampering and I would be SHOCKED if he doesn't get charged with a whole bunch of different crimes. Conviction/appeals etc are an entirely different thing, ofc, and you never know if he's going to truly be held accountable for all of his crimes. Just some might be enough, though. Especially if it's the one that keeps him from being able to run for office again - even if he never serves a single day of jail time that'd be an acceptable outcome.. just keep him anywhere but in a position of political power.

It seems a growing number of political/legal/washington insiders & experts are going on the record stating that they believe trump will be charged, too. Obviously I'm very biased against the orange man and his ways, but even stripping biases away and just looking at the evidence being presented.. I dunno how anyone can conclude that trump shouldn't be charged.

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13 Jul 2022, 10:35 am

There's going to be an eighth hearing next week.

I would say that #4 and #6 present the most evident evidence of Trump's guilt. But #7 was pretty good, too. I would watch that one.

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13 Jul 2022, 10:39 am

Oh, I'm def going to watch it. I might even start this morning. I've watched/listened to all the others and will see the entire miniseries no matter how many they keep pumping out. The whole trump trainwreck has been my soap opera for years now, I'm not about to skip watching the extended multi-episode finale. :mrgreen:

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13 Jul 2022, 10:54 pm

Maybe they're going for nine episodes like the Star Wars saga. People talking about #4 and #6 and #8 being on the way, reminds me of that.

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14 Jul 2022, 12:02 am

Matrix Glitch wrote:

Maybe they're going for nine episodes like the Star Wars saga. People talking about #4 and #6 and #8 being on the way, reminds me of that.

And it's been delivered.
Too bad Ivanka, Don Jr. and the dumb blond one don't have a cool dad like Vader.

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15 Jul 2022, 4:15 pm

Just finished listening to episode 7. Jamie Raskin is always well spoken.. and certainly was in this hearing.

It seems to me that trump’s goose is cooked. I can’t really see any way he gets away with all of this and is allowed to just carry on living the Billionaire life. It might take time.. but it seems to me that he and his family/organization are going down.

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15 Jul 2022, 7:27 pm

Matrix Glitch wrote:

Maybe they're going for nine episodes like the Star Wars saga. People talking about #4 and #6 and #8 being on the way, reminds me of that.

Well eventually even Palpatine dies in the 9th instalment. That at least bodes well.

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