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09 Jan 2024, 10:20 pm

If the world does nothing and just lets this all happen it kinda lends a little credibility to the theory that epstein was working for Mossad and they have all the pervy video footage of all the world's leader-bean creeps. Just saying..


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09 Jan 2024, 11:49 pm

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dahiya_doctrine


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10 Jan 2024, 2:53 am

Asymetrical Warfare.....
scorced Earth Policy.
The entire situation is just diabolically sad .. imho.. :(


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10 Jan 2024, 3:23 am

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Israel appear to be so intent on not letting Gazan Palestinians return to their homes, they are now looking for other countries for them!

Right, so accusations of ethnic cleansing of Gaza being the plan all along for Israel have increased in light of some insane rhetoric from the Israeli government which they’ve aimed at their chief financiers and military arms suppliers the US, who somewhat surprisingly given their conduct have come out saying Gaza belongs to the Palestinians and Israel can’t have it.

But more than that there is now concrete evidence of Israel having been engaging in conversations with other nations to take Gazan ‘emigrants’ as they refer to them anyway, deals being done to find a new home for people they forcibly displace, against international law, so that they are never allowed back into Gaza again. Israel is planning it’s own Rwanda deal basically, we’ve been watching this play out for weeks, from the refusal to let Gazans travel north again following the weeklong ceasefire in November, to the herding of people like cattle in the south of Gaza where they were told they’d be safe, to being attacked there as well. It is obvious Israel want the Gazan’s gone and together with their deportation plans, they are now pretty much blatantly admitting it too.


The Israelis can try and shop around the Palestinians all they want it won't work because

The other countries don't want the Palestinians as much as most Israeli Jews don't want the Palestinians.

Even if somehow another country can be bribed into taking them in general the Palestinians won't accept it. They want from the Jorden River to the Mediterranean Sea back. If a century of resistance against overwhelming brutal force has not made this clear I don't know what will.


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10 Jan 2024, 3:43 am

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The Israelis can try and shop around the Palestinians all they want it won't work because

The other countries don't want the Palestinians as much as most Israeli Jews don't want the Palestinians.

Even if somehow another country can be bribed into taking them in general the Palestinians won't accept it. They want from the Jorden River to the Mediterranean Sea back. If a century of resistance against overwhelming brutal force has not made this clear I don't know what will.


Meaning it's not long until they switch to attempting more of a final solution to the Palestinian question.

I wish I was being snarky when I say that but they keep telling us what they intend and it's high time we took them seriously.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ten_stages_of_genocide

By this rubric we're on stage 9 and the world is utterly failing to respond appropriately.


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10 Jan 2024, 3:49 am

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The Israelis can try and shop around the Palestinians all they want it won't work because

The other countries don't want the Palestinians as much as most Israeli Jews don't want the Palestinians.

Even if somehow another country can be bribed into taking them in general the Palestinians won't accept it. They want from the Jorden River to the Mediterranean Sea back. If a century of resistance against overwhelming brutal force has not made this clear I don't know what will.


Meaning it's not long until they switch to attempting more of a final solution to the Palestinian question.

I wish I was being snarky when I say that but they keep telling us what they intend and it's high time we took them seriously.


uhmm.. kinda looks like the final solution has already come..? :skull: just sayin..!
been appearing that the Palstinian side of Gaza , has practical become like the surface of the moon..? just craters .
From ongoing shelling and bomb dropping . :(


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funeralxempire wrote:
ASPartOfMe wrote:
The Israelis can try and shop around the Palestinians all they want it won't work because

The other countries don't want the Palestinians as much as most Israeli Jews don't want the Palestinians.

Even if somehow another country can be bribed into taking them in general the Palestinians won't accept it. They want from the Jorden River to the Mediterranean Sea back. If a century of resistance against overwhelming brutal force has not made this clear I don't know what will.


Meaning it's not long until they switch to attempting more of a final solution to the Palestinian question.

I wish I was being snarky when I say that but they keep telling us what they intend and it's high time we took them seriously.


uhmm.. kinda looks like the final solution has already come..? :skull: just sayin..!
been appearing that the Palstinian side of Gaza , has practical become like the surface of the moon..? just craters .
From ongoing shelling and bomb dropping . :(


I believe (at the moment) extermination is a secondary goal, while forced displacement is the primary goal. I'm worried that as bad as things look right now, they're going to get worse.

Yes, worse is always an option.


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10 Jan 2024, 4:05 am

Think the apropriate think for the UN to do is disallow Israels ability to occupy the rest of Gaza...
more than a referendum.. but with actual Force of arms. I do not believe there should be any physical gain as far as real Estate allowed to be conquered . If Israel is willing to take these steps without reprocussion?.They should not be allowed any fruits of Warfare ! Imho. If this is allowed ?. think perhaps , the USA has ANY right to aide Ukraine in their fight ?Against Russia.? ,or just allow Russia to take all the land away from Ukraine ? It might appear that ""Ukraine and Palestine"" may have much in common,? As in the exact context of being , independant ,Soveriegn Nations . Whose land is being , are being taken over by foriegn countries !


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10 Jan 2024, 12:54 pm

Israel faces a genocide case, and comments on displacing Gazans could complicate its defense

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Facing accusations of genocide against Palestinians in Gaza, Israel is preparing to defend itself this week at the United Nations’ top court in a high-profile legal battle that comes at a decisive time during its military campaign after Hamas’ Oct. 7 terror attacks.

The courtroom charge is led by South Africa, a staunch Israel critic, which has filed a case to be heard at the U.N.’s International Court of Justice starting Thursday and Friday.

Its 84-page legal filing accuses Israel of acting since Oct. 7 — killing, injuring and displacing Palestinian civilians, and denying them food, water and other essentials — in a way that’s “intended to bring about the destruction of a substantial part of the Palestinian national, racial and ethnic group.”

The court, known as the ICJ, is composed of 15 judges, who will hear oral arguments from lawyers representing South Africa and Israel. The hearings will be streamed live on the court’s website, and the room itself has space for around 30 journalists to attend in person.

The ICJ case has huge significance politically, legally and in the court of public opinion. Its rulings are binding under international law, and both Israel and South Africa are party to its decisions — but some countries, including Russia and indeed the United States, have ignored or rejected them in the past.

The court has no power to enforce the rulings, but it can deal a reputational blow.

The case “is also a battle on the historical narrative, which can shape views on the Israel-Palestinian conflict,” said Eliav Lieblich, an international law professor at Tel Aviv University.

Recent comments by some senior right-wing members of Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s government calling for people in Gaza to be moved out of the enclave and effectively replaced by Israeli settlers may play a role in the proceedings.

They see the war as an “opportunity to concentrate on encouraging the migration of the residents of Gaza,” as Itamar Ben-Gvir, the country’s national security minister, put it last week.

These comments have not been reflected in official Israeli proposals that call for neither itself nor Hamas to run Gaza. But nevertheless international law experts say they do not help Israel’s argument in court.

Israeli government spokesman Eylon Levy said last week that South Africa was “criminally complicit,” that it had “openly aligned itself with the Hamas rapist regime,” and that it was itself “aiding and abetting that machinery of genocide.” He also dismissed the filing as “an absurd blood libel” — the ancient antisemitic conspiracy theory that Jews use non-Jews’ blood for rituals.

A verdict could take years to reach, and “international law is infamous for its lack of strong enforcement mechanisms,” according to Lieblich at Tel Aviv University. But long before any ruling comes out, South Africa has asked the ICJ to call for “Israel immediately to halt all military attacks that constitute or give rise to violations of the Genocide Convention.” This would be binding under international law, but states can and have ignored these directives, as Russia did with a similar ICJ order in 2022 to pause its war in Ukraine.

While South Africa has focused on Palestinian civilians being killed in the war, another subplot has been developing: Ultraconservative and ultrareligious members of the Israeli government have been calling for Palestinians to be relocated out of Gaza into neighboring Arab states.

Supporters of this idea say they only want to move Palestinians who want to leave; critics and legal experts say it’s not a voluntary choice if war has made their home uninhabitable.

Chief among proponents of this view is Ben-Gvir, the country’s national security minister, who told a party meeting last week that the war was an “opportunity to concentrate on encouraging the migration of the residents of Gaza,” according to The Times of Israel and other local media.

He has made similar comments before, and doubled down when challenged.

But Ben-Gvir’s remarks have been denounced by the U.S. and other governments, and condemned by human rights watchers as tantamount to supporting war crimes. The concept of Palestinians being driven from Gaza has been condemned as “forced displacement” and therefore a “crime against humanity” by Francesca Albanese, the U.N.’s special rapporteur on the occupied Palestinian territories, and other international human rights watchers.

Ben-Gvir’s comments, according to Yeini at the University of Haifa, are “irresponsible” and “unhelpful” to Israel’s case and come as the Jewish state is trying to show the world and the U.N. court that it is abiding by international law.

It is “a matter of some dispute” among international law experts whether forced displacement constitutes genocide, according to David J. Simon, director of the genocide studies program at Yale University. But, he said, he wouldn’t be surprised if South Africa uses comments by Ben-Gvir and Finance Minister Bezalel Smotrich to bolster its case.

“I think that we have to solve the problem of Gaza and to rehabilitate its residents” in other countries, Smotrich told Army Radio last week.

Ben-Gvir added that Jews should move back into Gaza, an area Israel occupied from 1967 to 2005.

“Not only do I not rule out Jewish settlement” in Gaza, he said last week, “I believe it is also an important thing.”

Netanyahu has distanced himself from these comments, saying he has no plans to stay in Gaza after the war. The Cabinet is discussing plans for who should run the enclave next, according to an Israeli official. And Defense Minister Yoav Gallant said in an official proposal Thursday that neither Israel nor Hamas but Palestinian “bodies” would run the enclave — without going into detail. The proposal made no reference to displacement.

The political parties headed by Ben-Gvir and Smotrich only received a combined 10% of the vote in elections last year. And while they are not directly involved in steering the war effort in Gaza, they are given outsize influence because Netanyahu enlisted them in his coalition government in a pact to regain power — and, critics say, avoid prosecution in his ongoing trial on allegations of fraud and other charges, which he denies.

But such talk is not confined to these fringes. Senior members of Netanyahu’s own right-wing Likud party, including Intelligence Minister Gila Gamliel, have floated similar suggestions in the past.

And although the mass expulsion of Palestinians might be a niche position, the idea of Israel resettling Gaza is not. A poll by the Channel 12 broadcaster in November found 32% of people support re-establishing Israeli communities in the enclave from which they were removed almost 20 years ago.

These politicians say any relocation of Palestinians would be voluntary. But “there is no such thing as ‘voluntary resettlement’ under conditions of duress,” Lieblich and other experts have pointed out. Instead, these are “indeed calls for the commission of international crimes,” he said, and “the Israeli government must unequivocally declare that they do not represent its official policy.”

Asked by NBC News to comment on whether calls to resettle Palestinians would hurt Israel’s case at the ICJ, a spokesman for the Foreign Affairs Ministry said, “This is not the official position or policy of the Israeli government.”

Their comments have also caused added friction with the U.S., Israel’s closest ally that gives it $3 billion a year in military aid but has called for its government and military to do more to reduce civilian deaths.

State Department spokesman Matthew Miller said on Jan. 2 that the ministers’ language was “inflammatory and irresponsible,” leading Ben-Gvir to hit back on X that Israel is “not another star on the American flag.”

On the ICJ case, Miller said at a news briefing on Jan. 3 that the U.S. was “not seeing any acts that constitute genocide” from Israel.

That does not diminish the case in terms of its potentially huge impacts.

As well as the potential for the ICJ to order an immediate cease-fire, the case could “cause significant reputational harms,” for Israel, Lieblich said, adding that this “can then translate to political pressure, calls for sanctions, calls for restricting arms transfers and so on.


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Think the apropriate think for the UN to do is disallow Israels ability to occupy the rest of Gaza...
more than a referendum.. but with actual Force of arms. !


Speculation=mine:
I do not see anything like that happening for a generation but never say never. There is the tipping point phenomenon whereby people fight for change and it is resisted for years or even decades. The effort looks futile but it is gradually having an unseen effect. Then something happens and the resistance collapses all at once. The fall of the Soviet Union is an example. An imperfect example is the the reaction to the murder of George Floyd where all of a sudden you had sizable protests in conservative areas and mainstream people were using terms such as “systematic racism” a concept which a few years earlier was considered radical.

If the world decides they had enough no amount of willpower/fanaticism would be enough to fight off the whole world. But Israel could make others pay a very high price before going down.

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The name is a reference to the biblical Israelite judge Samson who pushed apart the pillars of a Philistine temple, bringing down the roof and killing himself and thousands of Philistines who had captured him,crying out "Let me die with the Philistines!" (Judges 16:30).


The Sampson option need not be nuclear. I would expect the Israeli's have the ability to launch a cyber attack that could shut America down.


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10 Jan 2024, 7:05 pm

Interesting ... i do recall Israel as having nuclear Weapons from something , i read long ago .. but wanted USA help in destroying Irans Nuclear program ...They basically inhabit the same regional area....and , now it appears that
some persons are calling Israels actions that of a Rogue Nation . :evil: ..So I do not understand that
we (the world)have not devised a way to disable Israels nuclear abilities as , has happened in Iran ? By all the stuff posted here about Israels intentions for control of the Area .. . . . Am concerned that the UN has not taken action of the same nature to do away with Israels Nuclear weapons . Use of Nuclear weapons on a basis of indescriminated self defence . With intentions that would contaminate, large sections of the World , depending on ocean currents and trade winds . Might not be considered to be competent to have their "finger on the button" of such devises. IMHO
Realize Iran , by what I have read here .has supported Terrorist groups ( " one mans freedom fighter is another mans Terrorist") in that region . But Iran has not declared War on its neighbours . Or slaughtered them en masse
from best of my knowledge base ? (Which would you like as a neighbour ?) :ninja: or :skull:
But then again the USA and The CIA & Oliver North did support the Nicaraguan rebels . :skull:
( Freedom fighters or Terroristas .?) Truley a odd political world imho. apologies to supporters of Israel here but
pragmatism, is a known Aspie trait :mrgreen:

noteithstanding the old Iran vs Iraq War, which has just been brought to my attn. but even then ,no knowledge of anyone using Nukes in that War,


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10 Jan 2024, 8:23 pm

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Why on Earth is Israel withholding tax revenues that belong to the PA???? The PA isn't Hamas.

Is Netanyahu’s government TRYING to provoke violence among West Bank Palestinians just so Israel can have an excuse to kill them all and/or take even more Palestinian land???

It’s personal. When the war ends the clock will start ticking on Bibi’s premiership and his personal freedom.

So Bibi is just doing what he can to prolong the war so he can stay in power?

Does the Israeli system have any possible way of impeaching him, or equivalent thereof?


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11 Jan 2024, 2:55 am

Mona Pereth wrote:
ASPartOfMe wrote:
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Why on Earth is Israel withholding tax revenues that belong to the PA???? The PA isn't Hamas.

Is Netanyahu’s government TRYING to provoke violence among West Bank Palestinians just so Israel can have an excuse to kill them all and/or take even more Palestinian land???

It’s personal. When the war ends the clock will start ticking on Bibi’s premiership and his personal freedom.

So Bibi is just doing what he can to prolong the war so he can stay in power?

Does the Israeli system have any possible way of impeaching him, or equivalent thereof?


Not long now. When the ICJ announces their provisional measures on the South Africa vs Israel case, we'll probably start to see Netanyahu's right wing coalition start to unravel, especially since most of the extreme statements about expelling Palestinians from Gaza as alleged in South Africa's application have been coming from his extreme right-wing ministers. At least, we can hope. I think that the fact that Israel has an independent judiciary probably makes it likely.



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Mona Pereth wrote:
ASPartOfMe wrote:
Mona Pereth wrote:
Why on Earth is Israel withholding tax revenues that belong to the PA???? The PA isn't Hamas.

Is Netanyahu’s government TRYING to provoke violence among West Bank Palestinians just so Israel can have an excuse to kill them all and/or take even more Palestinian land???

It’s personal. When the war ends the clock will start ticking on Bibi’s premiership and his personal freedom.

So Bibi is just doing what he can to prolong the war so he can stay in power?

Does the Israeli system have any possible way of impeaching him, or equivalent thereof?


Israel has no constitution.

It's a Parliamentary system so if others in his coalition drop out he would be forced to call for a new election. The election that put this government in was the fifth in four years. There are always street actions that have forced other governments out.

Most of the Israeli people hated him before the war and blame him for the war. OTOH Israel is a small country and Jews have a history of persecution. The disunity shown by all of the elections and massive protests over "judicial reform" are widely blamed for Israel being so vulnerable. Thus they are loathe to show any division and came to a universal consensus to put aside differences for the war effort. You do have this seemingly unpalatable situation of the country accepting orders from people they dislike and distrust. How long can this go on? Well, there are signs of cracks but your guess is as good as mine.


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”Voluntary Migration” and Likud

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Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said Wednesday night Israel “has no intention of permanently occupying Gaza or displacing its civilian population,” rebuffing hard-right ministers’ calls to rebuild Israeli settlements in the territory and encourage Palestinian emigration.

The premier’s English-language video posted to social media came on the eve of the International Court of Justice in The Hague hearing a highly charged case accusing Israel of genocide in Gaza.

“I want to make a few points absolutely clear,” Netanyahu said. “Israel has no intention of permanently occupying Gaza or displacing its civilian population. Israel is fighting Hamas terrorists, not the Palestinian population, and we are doing so in full compliance with international law.”

“Our goal is to rid Gaza of Hamas terrorists and free our hostages. Once this is achieved, Gaza can be demilitarized and deradicalized, thereby creating a possibility for a better future for Israel and Palestinians alike.”

At the same time, a senior Likud member insisted Wednesday that Netanyahu had previously expressed support for the idea of the voluntary resettlement of Palestinians outside Gaza, but took it off the table in the face of pushback from the US.

The prime minister told me two weeks ago in this room that it’s a good idea,” MK Danny Danon told The Times of Israel, seemingly confirming an earlier report that the prime minister had informed a Likud faction meeting that he was working to facilitate voluntary migration.

“Our problem is [finding] countries that are willing to absorb Gazans, and we are working on it,” Netanyahu was reported as saying in response to a question from Danon during a weekly party gathering in the Knesset.

“We had a faction meeting a few weeks ago when I asked him about voluntary relocation and he said it’s a good idea and not easy to find countries that would accept Gazans,” Danon confirmed, adding that he understood that Netanyahu’s change of heart was due to American pressure.

“In the last few days, because of the pressure coming from a few countries, he stated that it’s not the position of the government and Israel is not promoting it. [US Secretary of State Antony] Blinken said he got assurances,” the lawmaker said.

The Prime Minister’s Office declined to comment on Danon’s statements.

During a press conference in Tel Aviv on Tuesday, Blinken told reporters that Palestinian civilians “must not be pressed to leave Gaza,” adding that Netanyahu “reaffirmed to me today that this is not the policy of Israel’s government.”

Israeli officials have denied reports that Israel is engaged in negotiations with foreign nations to accept thousands of immigrants from Gaza — and government spokesman Eylon Levy has called allegations that Israel is seeking to remove residents from the strip “outrageous and false.”

Danon — who has made “the enabling of voluntary immigration for Gazans who wish to relocate” a key part of his proposed postwar plan — said that a number of foreign envoys had expressed “great concern about the idea of voluntary emigration” on Wednesday during a diplomatic roundtable on postwar Gaza he co-sponsored with Yesh Atid lawmaker Ram Ben-Barak.

Danon said the diplomats had argued that “during wartime when we destroyed so many homes, it is not voluntary” and “I told them we can wait but I think it’s not humanitarian to tell the people of Gaza you will never be allowed to relocate.” He was reiterating an argument he recently made in a joint Wall Street Journal op-ed with Ben-Barak.

Addressing the diplomats on Wednesday, Ben-Barak emphasized that “Gaza rightfully belongs to its residents,” a statement in line with his previous declaration that “residents of Gaza should be allowed… to choose whether they remain in Gaza.”

The former Mossad deputy director has sought to differentiate himself and Danon from National Security Minister Itamar Ben Gvir and Finance Minister Bezalel Smotrich. Both have repeatedly called for “voluntary emigration,” drawing criticism from cabinet ministers and foreign governments alike.

Ben Gvir is a disciple of the late far-right Rabbi Meir Kahane, who advocated legislation to expel all Arabs from Israel and the West Bank. He has called for encouraging “the emigration of hundreds of thousands from Gaza.”

A resettlement policy is necessary, Smotrich recently argued, because “a small country like ours cannot afford a reality where four minutes away from our communities there is a hotbed of hatred and terrorism, where two million people wake up every morning with aspiration for the destruction of the State of Israel and with a desire to slaughter and rape and murder Jews wherever they are.”

While there is “great support for [migration] amongst Likud MKs, we also understand the diplomatic ramifications and therefore we’re letting the PM take the lead on this,” explained another Likud lawmaker, who spoke on condition of anonymity in order to discuss internal party dynamics.

“We live in a global world and even though this is something we think is the right solution we don’t live alone in this world,” the lawmaker said, adding that Danon and Ben-Barak’s proposal was “different from what Smotrich and Ben Gvir mean. I don’t think there is a push in Likud for things that Smotrich is talking about — paying people to leave.”

The Netanyahu government has been reluctant to release a postwar plan for Gaza and a government meeting on the issue last week erupted into a loud and angry dustup between ministers and military brass.


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Meanwhile there's people who would cheer for this development and insist the children somehow deserve this.


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12 Jan 2024, 6:37 am

US, Britain carry out strikes across Yemen in retaliation for Houthi attacks

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U.S. and British warplanes, ships and submarines struck across Yemen overnight in retaliation against Iran-backed Houthi forces for attacks on Red Sea shipping, a widening of regional conflict triggered by Israel's war in Gaza.

Witnesses confirmed explosions throughout Yemen, saying raids targeted a military base adjacent to Sanaa airport, a military site near Taiz airport, a Houthi naval base in Hodeidah and military sites in Hajjah governorate.

"These targeted strikes are a clear message that the United States and our partners will not tolerate attacks on our personnel or allow hostile actors to imperil freedom of navigation," U.S. President Joe Biden said.

The Houthis said five of their fighters had been killed in a total of 73 air strikes and said they would retaliate for the strikes and continue their attacks on shipping, which they describe as intended to support Palestinians against Israel.

A U.S. official said more than a dozen locations were targeted in strikes that were not just symbolic but intended to weaken the Houthis' military capabilities.

"We were going after very specific capability in very specific locations with precision munitions," the official said.

Kheloud, a resident of the capital Sanaa who gave just her first name, awoke to loud explosions from the direction of the airport to the north: "We saw a large fire from where the attack took place. It was half an hour of terror."

In a country only just emerging from nearly a decade of war that brought millions of people to the brink of famine, morning brought long queues at petrol stations from people fearing an extended new conflict with the West.

"There is a lot of worry that the fuel shortages will repeat themselves and food supplies will be scarce," said Ali Ahmad, 52. "We are rushing to fuel our car and we bought flour and rice in case of any emergency because we are expecting the Houthis to respond and an escalation to take place."

In Yemen's main Red Sea port Hodeidah, a resident who gave only his first name Mahmoud said troops were spreading through the streets and military vehicles were leaving barracks with security escorts.

Britain's defence ministry said early indications were that "the Houthis' ability to threaten merchant shipping has taken a blow". James Heappey, a junior defence minister no further action was planned for now.

The price of oil rose sharply on concern that supplies could be disrupted. Brent crude rost $2.


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