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Yes the news reports says he was diagnosed as asperger's, but other news outlets also claim that he was hearing voices. That would seem to indicate schizophrenia. The guy doesn't really fit the profile of an aspie, or at least what I consider an aspie. Sure he had social anxiety, threw tantrums, but that was about it, and prior to his warcraft self-medicating binge he was heavily into trying to become whats cool to try to fit in.
There was another report where a friend of the family said it was suspected/considered, but not diagnosed.
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He is a tough cookie to properly diagnose. He seems to have a body dismorphic disorder because he is short.
On that bodybuilding site he had himself as 5'9". Is that short? Sounds quite average to me. Though it seems plenty likely it was shorter than he'd want to be.
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The guy had one ambition in life and that was quite perverse, although at sometimes he hated that part of human biology calling it evil and wanted to ban it. He watched the movie alpha dogs where the main character *mated* several times and died at the end, and he noted that that would be a better life than what he had.
Is 'mated' your term or his? Fascinating term.
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What is particularly disturbing about this guy is that he thinks he is entitled to women bodies,
Yes. And he is very far from being alone in that. If not the norm, it is certainly a norm.
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even saying that women should't have the choice who to mate with but that should be determined by an intelligent civilization. I think his problem is two fold. One is that he hung out with a crowd of the super rich where women would just throw themselves at them to have wealth, the second problem seems to be he got caught up in PUAhate (pick up artist hate). I don't mean to insult PUAhate if I understand them wrong. But prior to the presumably second wave feminist movement, the traditional marriage he reasoned ensured that every guy, even betas males, would have one gal through marriage and afterwords women are flocking to the alpha males[bad boys]-and betas being left out.
PUA and PUAhate are two sides of the same misogynistic coin. Badmouth them all you like.
Also, it wasn't 'an intelligent civilisation' that would make the choice, but "rational men of intelligence". I think this is important to be clear on.
Women are not flocking to 'alpha males', nor 'bad boys', and 'betas' are not being left out. Such trying BS.
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Indeed we are being left out.
Nope.
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It seems the PUA Hate movement sadly blames women for their choices. I am sure many aspies who can recognize part of the argument and are able to understand a greater complexity involved fully knowing that women are great people-but trying to say them would just lead feminist to attack us so real solutions get ignored-To focus on the social problem leads to feminist attacking us because they myopically shift the focus to the individual choice rather the many psycho-social variables that help define a choice.
The PUAhate movement, and the PUA movement, hate women. That's all ye need to know.
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Anyways he got it burned into his head that prior to the feminist movement every male was entitled to a woman and her affections-That supplements his reasoning why he thought they owed them their love and bodily functions.
Again, he's far from the only one.
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he counseling he received was useless. First it is doubtful they were dealing with Asperger's but likely schizophrenia-it seems one doctor recognized this but he refused treatment which is his right. Secondly he was engaged in delusional thinking, and delusions are typically treatment resistance. The third thing was the type of help he was receiving was inappropriate. The job trainer for example found him a job as a custodian and here is the son of a second director of the hunger games. Even when his counselors went out in the world with him women focused on the counselors and not at him, and the counselors also verifies his own thinking.
He thought himself entitled to women, and their affections and bodies. From what I can see, the counselors did nothing to disuade that, and much to encourage it.
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His parents were also paying $1800 a month on rent alone for him to live in an apartment. His father was selling naughty photos. Certainly his father could have set him up with one of his models, or heck maybe even purchased a home and let him sublease to women-even "pretty blondes", or maybe his father could have found him a menial job on the set where he could have worked with extremely high profile people including women, or maybe had his son work on a photographers set that specialized entirely with women modeling. Unlike most of us, the guy had connections and money-there was no excuse why they couldn't have done something. It certainly seems like they tried to pass him along as someone else's problem, and certainly he became everyone's problem.
Again, encouraging him in his entitlement. You don't do that with a toddler, let alone a man in his early 20s.
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Pretty much what happened wasn't the work of an aspie, but a highly functioning narcissistic schizophrenic probably paranoid in nature comorbid with a body dysmorphic disorder. The real killer wasn't the narcissism, the schizophrenia, nor the mysogyny and certainly not asperger's. It was the involuntary loneliness which spiraled into what is called post traumatic embitterment disorder. i am sure the xanax and Vicodin which he cited didn't help him either, both can lead to anger and perhaps reduced his ability to to abstain from such impulses.
However he came to be how he was - and there are obviously many factors at play - he found meaning in, and was encouraged in, a misogynistic narrative. His rage was focused on and through women. Even his racist remarks - which other men, to little surprise, seem to have been more willing to call him out on than his misogyny - were focused around women.
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Of course, it's probably quite a bit more complicated than that.
You know sometimes, between the dames and the horses, I don't even know why I put my hat on.
26 May 2014, 10:01 pm
