20 Nov 2018, 11:46 pm
VegetableMan wrote:
And if Sanders had been elected, I suspect he would have sold out as well. I have no confidence in politicians. Voting is a meaning less exercise in futility! The only way we can save this country is enough people wake up, educate themselves, throw off the propaganda they've been fed, and force whatever as*holes who hold office accountable for their actions. They might actually do right by the American people if they realize they'll get chucked out on their asses if they don't.
Virtue is hopeless, I think.
Now, it's about grabbing as much of the pie as you can for yourself.
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21 Nov 2018, 12:32 am
envirozentinel wrote:
We do need to stand up for what is right and to fight evils such as racism, xenophobia, scientific ignorance and all the other crazy things that the Whie House is propagating under Trump. But at the same time we need dialogue and freedom of speech.
We can't force those who still somehow have confidence in him despite all the evidence to the contrary, to change their opinions. That is something they have to do themselves.
We can't force those who still somehow have confidence in him despite all the evidence to the contrary, to change their opinions. That is something they have to do themselves.
Some of those same people refuse to do other things for themselves. One in particular comes to mind. It's almost as if there's some sort of pathological oppositional thing going on, that makes him double down on self harm just to oppose everyone else. For what end objective, I don't know.
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for supporting trump. Because doing so is deplorable.
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21 Nov 2018, 3:55 am
Kiprobalhato wrote:
thoughtbeast wrote:
I'm confused between what you and skilpadde have written.
I can understand if what you're saying is "Don't call another member a deplorable". And that hasn't been what's at issue. The whining has been all about the use of deplorables as a reference term for Trump supporters in general.
I can understand if what you're saying is "Don't call another member a deplorable". And that hasn't been what's at issue. The whining has been all about the use of deplorables as a reference term for Trump supporters in general.
clinton was wrong to use the term "deplorables" for trump voters, and so is anyone else who uses the term in that context. i don't want to see it here.
thoughtbeast wrote:
So am I to understand that if I wrote in my opinion concerning a news item: "A group of deplorables is planning a rally for Trump next Monday" that this would somehow violate the rules here? That's what's at issue here - and what has not been clarified.
that's fine because you're not the one making that statement, you're quoting someone elses words. the distinction is often missed, but very important. if someone reported you for a personal attack or negative group generalization in that instance, i don't think it would hold any water.
thoughtbeast wrote:
Additionally, if I were to remark that "White supremacists are scum" would this be a violation for possibly hurting the dainty feelings of any white supremacists here?
no...white supremacists aren't a protected group here because of the inherent nature of their ideology. they can f**k off.
So I’m free to fill news and current events with as many liberal generalizations news headlines I can find?
Examples
GOP peaceful, Dems are party of 'uncivil loons'
Liberals, Democrats are spreading the hate
Foolish Liberals condemned to relive byelection humiliation
Where are the moderate Democrats?
FYI for mods these are all news headlines
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21 Nov 2018, 8:42 am
sly279 wrote:
So I’m free to fill news and current events with as many liberal generalizations news headlines I can find?
Examples
GOP peaceful, Dems are party of 'uncivil loons'
Liberals, Democrats are spreading the hate
Foolish Liberals condemned to relive byelection humiliation
Where are the moderate Democrats?
FYI for mods these are all news headlines
Examples
GOP peaceful, Dems are party of 'uncivil loons'
Liberals, Democrats are spreading the hate
Foolish Liberals condemned to relive byelection humiliation
Where are the moderate Democrats?
FYI for mods these are all news headlines
From where? Infowars? NaturalNews? Breitbart? DailyStormer? Fox?
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LoveNotHate wrote:
VegetableMan wrote:
And if Sanders had been elected, I suspect he would have sold out as well. I have no confidence in politicians. Voting is a meaning less exercise in futility! The only way we can save this country is enough people wake up, educate themselves, throw off the propaganda they've been fed, and force whatever as*holes who hold office accountable for their actions. They might actually do right by the American people if they realize they'll get chucked out on their asses if they don't.
Virtue is hopeless, I think.
Now, it's about grabbing as much of the pie as you can for yourself.
Yeah, I guess that's why so many Americans are tolerant of a government that was been bought and paid for by billionaire class a long time ago. We all hope that with a little hard work and luck, we will someday get to be one of these greedy bastards.
21 Nov 2018, 12:12 pm
thoughtbeast wrote:
envirozentinel wrote:
That's out of line because they are not all like that.
We don't tolerate racism and racist posts but must be fair. Political dialogue means allowing those with opposing views to express themselves as long as they stay within the rules.
We don't tolerate racism and racist posts but must be fair. Political dialogue means allowing those with opposing views to express themselves as long as they stay within the rules.
I'm confused between what you and skilpadde have written.
I can understand if what you're saying is "Don't call another member a deplorable". And that hasn't been what's at issue. The whining has been all about the use of deplorables as a reference term for Trump supporters in general.
So am I to understand that if I wrote in my opinion concerning a news item: "A group of deplorables is planning a rally for Trump next Monday" that this would someh,ow violate the rules here? That's what's at issue here - and what has not been clarified.
Additionally, if I were to remark that "White supremacists are scum" would this be a violation for possibly hurting the dainty feelings of any white supremacists here?
Trouble is, anyone who has any kind of nationalist semtiments gets called a white supremacist on here. I've not seen any real white supremacists on this site and if there are they'd already be banned.
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JohnPowell wrote:
thoughtbeast wrote:
envirozentinel wrote:
That's out of line because they are not all like that.
We don't tolerate racism and racist posts but must be fair. Political dialogue means allowing those with opposing views to express themselves as long as they stay within the rules.
We don't tolerate racism and racist posts but must be fair. Political dialogue means allowing those with opposing views to express themselves as long as they stay within the rules.
I'm confused between what you and skilpadde have written.
I can understand if what you're saying is "Don't call another member a deplorable". And that hasn't been what's at issue. The whining has been all about the use of deplorables as a reference term for Trump supporters in general.
So am I to understand that if I wrote in my opinion concerning a news item: "A group of deplorables is planning a rally for Trump next Monday" that this would someh,ow violate the rules here? That's what's at issue here - and what has not been clarified.
Additionally, if I were to remark that "White supremacists are scum" would this be a violation for possibly hurting the dainty feelings of any white supremacists here?
Trouble is, anyone who has any kind of nationalist semtiments gets called a white supremacist on here. I've not seen any real white supremacists on this site and if there are they'd already be banned.
It’s simple apparently if you’re not a liberal you’re racist nazi. One has to agree 100% with the liberal ideology or your a evil person
Mean from what I’ve seen you could agree with everything else but say you oppose illegal immigration well then people say your a racist nazi even if say you agree 99% with illegal immigration but that 1% is enough.
We’ve seen stories of liberal students attacking liberal professors for not being liberal enough.
I’m a democrat but because I believe in the constitution and don’t beleive in illegal immigration I’m the enemy
