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22 Jan 2019, 8:43 pm

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Online hate mobs are one of the worst things about the modern world.

Talk about mistaking the forest for the trees. There was a real mob, at the very least the perception of it, and you put your blame on those who expressed moral outrage about it. That's what normal empathic people do, they react negatively to perceived injustice.


No there were children waiting for a bus and adults took it upon themselves to attempt to ruin their lives. Normal people may make judgements without knowing the facts that is normal but attempting to punish people without knowing te facts is immoral.



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22 Jan 2019, 8:53 pm

Daniel89 wrote:
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Online hate mobs are one of the worst things about the modern world.

Talk about mistaking the forest for the trees. There was a real mob, at the very least the perception of it, and you put your blame on those who expressed moral outrage about it. That's what normal empathic people do, they react negatively to perceived injustice.


No there were children waiting for a bus and adults took it upon themselves to attempt to ruin their lives. Normal people may make judgements without knowing the facts that is normal but attempting to punish people without knowing te facts is immoral.

A video recording of an incident is usually considered a fact. They prosecute people on that basis alone. Your narrative is also a delusion.



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22 Jan 2019, 8:57 pm

AspE wrote:
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Online hate mobs are one of the worst things about the modern world.

Talk about mistaking the forest for the trees. There was a real mob, at the very least the perception of it, and you put your blame on those who expressed moral outrage about it. That's what normal empathic people do, they react negatively to perceived injustice.


No there were children waiting for a bus and adults took it upon themselves to attempt to ruin their lives. Normal people may make judgements without knowing the facts that is normal but attempting to punish people without knowing te facts is immoral.

A video recording of an incident is usually considered a fact. They prosecute people on that basis alone. Your narrative is also a delusion.


Yes a video of him approaching them getting into the face of a child.

A Video of black men calling white and black kids racial slurs, black men protesting about "fa***ts" having rights but have they been doxed? Are celebrities calling for them to be assaulted? Are their faces plastered all over the media? Are people trying to ruin their lives? Why not these people are adults why are white children held to a higher standard than Black adults?



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22 Jan 2019, 8:58 pm

The current discussion reminds of a Guardian advert from the 80's


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22 Jan 2019, 9:15 pm

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The current discussion reminds of a Guardian advert from the 80's



I'd never seen that before. For me it illustrates how media including news media is masterful at crafting narrative including false narrative with the willful intention of manipulating people.



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22 Jan 2019, 9:40 pm

It seems VegetableMan missed my posts because he hasn't answered any of my questions, so i will post it again:

VegetableMan, I will try to answer your comment to me by starting another quote tree here: what is the MSM? What are its boundaries, who is considered mainstream and who isn't, and how do you make that distinction? Someone else mentioned Reuters and AP, aren't those mainstream media sources? "MSM" seems like a buzzword without much meaning and that could be applied indiscriminately to any news source. I only see it used by conservatives when talking about stories they don't like coming to light, for example Trump's many (I believe thousands) of documented lies. So you'll have to excuse me if I have trouble taking that term seriously and not just hearing it as paranoiac hyperbole because that's what it sounds like to me.



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22 Jan 2019, 10:01 pm

a man walks up to a kid and bangs a drum in his face, kid reciprocates by smirking. brief minor incident that turns into a major event.



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22 Jan 2019, 10:23 pm

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Yes a video of him approaching them getting into the face of a child

Approaching a young man, who, in his arrogance, decided to challenge someone who looked different as a perceived enemy, emboldened as he was by his peers, who were making racist gestures, and emboldened by Trump, who they all support, and who ran on hatred of non-white people.



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22 Jan 2019, 10:25 pm

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Yes a video of him approaching them getting into the face of a child

Approaching a young man, who, in his arrogance, decided to challenge someone who looked different as a perceived enemy, emboldened as he was by his peers, who were making racist gestures.


How did he challenge anyone?

What racist gestures where they making? The Throwing the football thing they were doing before the old guy showed up?



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22 Jan 2019, 10:30 pm

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Yes a video of him approaching them getting into the face of a child

Approaching a young man, who, in his arrogance, decided to challenge someone who looked different as a perceived enemy, emboldened as he was by his peers, who were making racist gestures.


How did he challenge anyone?

What racist gestures where they making? The Throwing the football thing they were doing before the old guy showed up?

It's a tomahawk chop. And he challenged Nathan Phillips by remaining in position with plenty of space around him to back up a step. He's smiling because he thinks he's being clever.



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22 Jan 2019, 10:32 pm

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Yes a video of him approaching them getting into the face of a child

Approaching a young man, who, in his arrogance, decided to challenge someone who looked different as a perceived enemy, emboldened as he was by his peers, who were making racist gestures.


How did he challenge anyone?

What racist gestures where they making? The Throwing the football thing they were doing before the old guy showed up?

It's a tomahawk chop. And he challenged Nathan Phillips by remaining in position with plenty of space around him to back up a step. He's smiling because he thinks he's being clever.


No if someone walks right into your path, you not moving is you challenging them they challenged you.



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22 Jan 2019, 10:34 pm

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No if someone walks right into your path, you not moving is you challenging them they challenged you.

If it were an intimidating biker dude, sure, but an elder playing a song? GTFO of here.



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22 Jan 2019, 10:38 pm

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No if someone walks right into your path, you not moving is you challenging them they challenged you.

If it were an intimidating biker dude, sure, but an elder playing a song? GTFO of here.


How where they intimidating him? He walked into their crowd and got into the face of a child.

A biker dude probably wouldn't feel the need to bully a child.



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22 Jan 2019, 10:40 pm

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No if someone walks right into your path, you not moving is you challenging them they challenged you.

If it were an intimidating biker dude, sure, but an elder playing a song? GTFO of here.


How where they intimidating him? He walked into their crowd and got into the face of a child.

A biker dude probably wouldn't feel the need to bully a child.

Not what I call bullying. I call it walking forward. The typical human steps aside to let someone pass. Why did Nick Sandmann feel intimidated?



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22 Jan 2019, 10:41 pm

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No if someone walks right into your path, you not moving is you challenging them they challenged you.

If it were an intimidating biker dude, sure, but an elder playing a song? GTFO of here.


How where they intimidating him? He walked into their crowd and got into the face of a child.

A biker dude probably wouldn't feel the need to bully a child.

Not what I call bullying. I call it walking forward. The typical human steps aside to let someone pass.


Banging a drum right up in someones face is walking forward is it?

Would Nathan Phillips do that do a Biker dude or does he only "walk forward" to children?



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22 Jan 2019, 10:42 pm

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Banging a drum right up in someones face is walking forward is it?

Would Nathan Phillips do that do a Biker dude or does he only "walk forward" to children?

Nathan Phillips' personality strikes me as pacifist in nature.


In other words, yes, social media users may have rushed to judgment before the full confrontation was revealed (as usual), but the reaction from Trumpers in defense of the students was itself, premature and ludicrously forgiving, as if these boys were guileless victims and not dishing out toxic behavior of their own. salon.com