30 May 2008, 11:48 am
You advocate something called "unschooling?" 
School is more than pure academics.
It's supposed to teach kids how to relate to other people, to prepare them for adult life. Homewchooling, unschooling ...
If these overly precious Momma's Boy types can't or won't deal with the real world, what chance would they have as adults, as parents in their own right? There are some things that books can't teach. Being a super-duper brainy apple-shiner will not get you through life.
These kids need to grow a pair, stop sucking at the teat, and go out into the world.
30 May 2008, 12:30 pm
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30 May 2008, 4:48 pm
slowmutant wrote:
You advocate something called "unschooling?"
School is more than pure academics.
It's supposed to teach kids how to relate to other people, to prepare them for adult life. Homewchooling, unschooling ...
If these overly precious Momma's Boy types can't or won't deal with the real world, what chance would they have as adults, as parents in their own right? There are some things that books can't teach. Being a super-duper brainy apple-shiner will not get you through life.
These kids need to grow a pair, stop sucking at the teat, and go out into the world.
School is more than pure academics.
It's supposed to teach kids how to relate to other people, to prepare them for adult life. Homewchooling, unschooling ...
If these overly precious Momma's Boy types can't or won't deal with the real world, what chance would they have as adults, as parents in their own right? There are some things that books can't teach. Being a super-duper brainy apple-shiner will not get you through life.
These kids need to grow a pair, stop sucking at the teat, and go out into the world.
You didn't read the article. Unschooling differs from homeschooling in that they don't sit around at home reading textbooks and filling out worksheets all day. They get out and see the world. I will quote the section of the wiki article that deals with this, and how they get superior exposure to the real world over their traditionally schooled peers. Quote:
Many unschoolers believe that the conditions common in conventional schools, like age segregation, a low ratio of adults to children, a lack of contact with the community, and a lack of people in professions other than teaching or school administration create an unhealthy social environment. They feel that their children benefit from coming in contact with people of diverse ages and backgrounds in a variety of contexts. They also feel that their children benefit from having some ability to influence what people they encounter, and in what contexts they encounter them. Unschoolers cite studies which report that home educated students tend to be more mature than their schooled peers, and some believe this is a result of the wide range of people with which they have the opportunity to communicate.
30 May 2008, 10:02 pm
LoveableNerd wrote:
Kalister1 wrote:
LoveableNerd wrote:
fabshelly wrote:
Hating my country? Socialist crap? That's where I learned "My Country tis of Thee" and marched, holding flags, and singing "You're a Grand Old Flag/Yankee Doodle Dandy" in the school auditorium. It's where I learned about our marvelous Constitution and the heroes of the American Revolution. It's where I learned about Pearl Harbor - when I visit there, now, 3000 miles away from my school, I still remember the things I learned there - which can sometimes seem almost like propaganda when I see what politicians do with my adult eyes.
Social life at school was hell on earth. But the learning part was simply wonderful.
I am a bit colored against homeschooling because everyone I've talked to that homeschools does it to keep their precious little white Christians from learning about "teh homos".
Social life at school was hell on earth. But the learning part was simply wonderful.
I am a bit colored against homeschooling because everyone I've talked to that homeschools does it to keep their precious little white Christians from learning about "teh homos".
If that's why they do it, it is their rights because it is their kids. What can't be argued is how well the average homeschooled kid outperforms the average public school kid academically. Think of the social hell on earth you'd have been spared had you been homeschooled.
Socialist or patriotic, the agenda the government schools push is irrelevant. It is what they fail to teach that matters, critical thinking... as George Carlin put in his eloquent monologue, that goes against the interests of the country's real owners (the big wealthy businesses that own all the media, the judges, and the politicians). All they want is obedient workers, just smart enough to run the machines, and just dumb enough not to realize how bad they are getting f***ed by a system that threw them overboard 30 years ago.
Today's public schools are more like prisons than prisons. At least convicted prisoners get recess. And they don't get their arms broken for just dropping a piece of cake. Or arrested for putting their heads down when exhausted, or having possession of dangerous drugs like aspirin. I'm not exaggerating or making any of that up... google it, and "zero tolerance."
I have zero tolerance for kids being forced to go to concentration camps posing as schools. That is the real reason for homeschooling.
We should just abolish high school and send kids to community college.
Thats if they want to continue their education.
I have a friend who dropped out when he turned 16, got his GED and went on to college a year ahead of his peers. He has a masters degree now and is doing quite well as the lead developer at a good sized regional IT firm.
For aspies, I think the unschooling approach is better than standard curriculum based homeschooling. I think we would get the most out of that. I know I would have, and I think it could do wonders for the poor excommunicated 5 year old who is the subject of this original thread. Think about it, would AS cause any learning difficulties whatsoever if it weren't for the forced, regulated nature of the public school system? Social problems, sure? But learning? No way. We'd excel. We just don't respond too well to the herd-like-cattle approach.
Well, kids need to be schooled in things like math and their native language(here in the u.s. it would be called "english" which is more about learning grammar when you're young) in order to be able to "cooperate" with society. Otherwise, I agree with what you said about unschooling. I think I would have excelled in it... Well, except for the fact that many of my interests change year by year. I think if you were using the unschooling approach on AS(or pdd-nos) children, you can let their interests change and let them learn about those interests, but also attempt to find out what their main interest is...or the one or two interests they keep as they're growing up For example, my interests started out with arts/crafts hiking, plants and wildlife, etc. but I always maintained one or two constant interests.
Unfortunately, I was told that I needed to be in the college bound classes in high school in order to get into college. When I graduated and didn't get into college (mostly because I found out too late that it required me to call people, talk to people about recommendations, getting stuff together and mailing it and then going to interviews with college reps and I really couldn't get myself to go through that torture)I have ended up working in restaurants for the last 2 years....because I didn't prepare myself for the real world by learning mechanics or something useful that would get me a better paying job should college not work out. Now I have useless things like ap biology, english, history,some french and a really sucky math grade. A whole lot of good that's done me in the "real world".
Anyways, I don't think any AS student would have many more social problems then they already do have. Its usually worse in a school setting anyways (and especially middle school) That would be the one thing that the parents would have to "force" their child to do...I don't mean that in a bad way, just that they could teach their children when to say hello and what would be expected of them in different social situations. You could turn it into a field trip or something, I think.
Edit: I stand corrected about the social skills by the post above this one.
30 May 2008, 11:16 pm
30 May 2008, 11:27 pm
Yupa wrote:
Given the fact that you are basing your statements pretty much entirely on your own personal experiences and observations, I feel it's rather unfair of you to attempt to enforce different standards on me.
Also, you might want to watch the movie Jesus Camp. It explains quite a lot about a lot of homeschooling.
Also, you might want to watch the movie Jesus Camp. It explains quite a lot about a lot of homeschooling.
Oh sure, that's an unbiased source of information. Hmmm... let's see what WikiPedia has to say about it:
Quote:
Tim and Tracy O'Brien, Levi's parents, have claimed that three scenes in their home were manipulated by the producers to give a misleading impression. The video that the kids are watching in one scene discussing creationism was actually brought in by the film crew. The family did not own that video and had never seen it before. In another scene, Tracy directly addresses the camera and we hear her say, "There are two kinds of people in the world, those who love Jesus and those who don't." However, rest of her statement was edited out: "...and they are both worthy of dignity and respect, by virtue of the fact that Jesus died for them." A third scene features a kitchen radio but the audio heard in the film was added in editing and was not actually playing.
Ted Haggard has disavowed the film, saying that "You can learn as much about the Catholic Church from Nacho Libre as you can learn about evangelicalism from Jesus Camp. It does represent a small portion of the charismatic movement, but I think it demonizes it. Secularists are hoping that evangelical Christians and radicalized Muslims are essentially the same, which is why they will love this film.
Ted Haggard has disavowed the film, saying that "You can learn as much about the Catholic Church from Nacho Libre as you can learn about evangelicalism from Jesus Camp. It does represent a small portion of the charismatic movement, but I think it demonizes it. Secularists are hoping that evangelical Christians and radicalized Muslims are essentially the same, which is why they will love this film.
Quote:
According to Ron Reno of Focus on the Family, "The directors' claims that they were simply trying to create an 'objective' film about children and faith ring hollow. I don't question the motives of the Christians shown in the film. Indeed, the earnestness and zeal with which the young people pictured attempt to live out their faith are admirable. Unfortunately, however, it appears that they were unknowingly being manipulated by the directors in their effort to cast evangelical Christianity in an unflattering light."
Yeah, no agenda there.
And even if it were an accurate portrayal, you can't judge all homeschoolers from a Pentacostal summer camp. As much as I think the whole global warming scare is a scam to allow the government to tax our air (the one thing left that is free), I was happy to see Al Gore's movie take the Oscar over that propaganda piece.
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30 May 2008, 11:30 pm
LoveableNerd wrote:
Yeah, no agenda there. And even if it were an accurate portrayal, you can't judge all homeschoolers from a Pentacostal children's camp.
And even if it were an accurate portrayal, you can't judge all homeschoolers from a Pentacostal children's camp.I didn't say all, did I? I said a lot.
Why don't you actually read posts all the way through before responding?
30 May 2008, 11:34 pm
Yupa wrote:
LoveableNerd wrote:
Yeah, no agenda there. And even if it were an accurate portrayal, you can't judge all homeschoolers from a Pentacostal children's camp.
And even if it were an accurate portrayal, you can't judge all homeschoolers from a Pentacostal children's camp.I didn't say all, did I? I said a lot.
Why don't you actually read posts all the way through before responding?
No, but it was implied. Kind of like if I had said, you can tell a lot about a lot of Aspies from watching RainMan. We both know most aspies are nothing like Dustin Hoffman's portrayal, though there could be a few like that. But anyone who wasn't in the know could read my statement and come away with an impression that all aspies go around mumbling "Time for Wapna".
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