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09 Sep 2014, 4:43 pm

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Haha. Sheez! I didn't include a link. Sorry. It is http://www.autismspeaks.org/science/sci ... and-autism here. And, the study about which they reported is http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/ar ... 0X14006367 here.


If it's a meta-analysis, then it's going to encompass far more than just a single study. Now I haven't read that study, but I'd like to make some general observations.

Meta-analyses carry much weight, because they set out beforehand what the criteria are for studies to be included, combine several studies encompassing several participants, and then perform a statistical analysis of all the studies included to try to reach a general conclusion about where the research is headed.

Right now, it appears that the direction of research is headed away from a link between vaccines and autism.


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09 Sep 2014, 5:06 pm

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AspieUtah wrote:
Haha. Sheez! I didn't include a link. Sorry. It is http://www.autismspeaks.org/science/sci ... and-autism here. And, the study about which they reported is http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/ar ... 0X14006367 here.


If it's a meta-analysis, then it's going to encompass far more than just a single study. Now I haven't read that study, but I'd like to make some general observations.

Meta-analyses carry much weight, because they set out beforehand what the criteria are for studies to be included, combine several studies encompassing several participants, and then perform a statistical analysis of all the studies included to try to reach a general conclusion about where the research is headed.

Right now, it appears that the direction of research is headed away from a link between vaccines and autism.


Yeah... beneficii, if you have access to the full study, I would like a copy of the PDF... My sources through the college and through my psychiatric contacts do not have access to that specific study at this point... and I am out of pocket on another project... until I get reimbursed, my purchasing power is extremely limited.


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09 Sep 2014, 5:21 pm

AspieUtah: I agree. I am concerned that the post was trimmed when it had nothing to do with the conflict


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10 Sep 2014, 1:00 am

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Haha. Sheez! I didn't include a link. Sorry. It is http://www.autismspeaks.org/science/sci ... and-autism here. And, the study about which they reported is http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/ar ... 0X14006367 here.


If it's a meta-analysis, then it's going to encompass far more than just a single study. Now I haven't read that study, but I'd like to make some general observations.

Meta-analyses carry much weight, because they set out beforehand what the criteria are for studies to be included, combine several studies encompassing several participants, and then perform a statistical analysis of all the studies included to try to reach a general conclusion about where the research is headed.

Right now, it appears that the direction of research is headed away from a link between vaccines and autism.


Yeah... beneficii, if you have access to the full study, I would like a copy of the PDF... My sources through the college and through my psychiatric contacts do not have access to that specific study at this point... and I am out of pocket on another project... until I get reimbursed, my purchasing power is extremely limited.


Did you consider writing the author and asking for a copy? Authors usually don't have a problem with that.


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10 Sep 2014, 1:04 am

I have already done that


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10 Sep 2014, 6:45 am

Feralucce wrote:
the full study is not available through my memberships and sources.


^I am also having this problem. Surprising; this rarely happens.


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10 Sep 2014, 9:43 am

JONRAPPOPORT: "CDC Whistleblower: This Is the Real Smoking Gun" (September 10, 2014)
http://jonrappoport.wordpress.com/2014/ ... moking-gun

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In Thompson?s confession, released through his Cincinnati attorney, Rick Morgan, Thompson asserted that he would work with Congress, but he wouldn?t speak to reporters.

Why not...?

No new facts, but an interesting take on the possible reasons that motivate Thompson's unique silence.


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10 Sep 2014, 10:04 am

I have a copy of the study provided by the author.


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11 Sep 2014, 9:16 am

Riley: If you would like a copy of the Autism Speaks Study that is currently being discussed, please in box me.


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12 Sep 2014, 12:04 am

This thread is interesting, a bunch of links to studies that I have no interest in reading, but it is fun to watch the different techniques used by different people to argue their points.


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12 Sep 2014, 12:14 am

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This thread is interesting, a bunch of links to studies that I have no interest in reading, but it is fun to watch the different techniques used by different people to argue their points.

Thank you... I think?


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15 Sep 2014, 10:22 am

JONRAPPOPORT: "CDC whistleblower: behind the media blackout" (September 14, 2014)
http://jonrappoport.wordpress.com/2014/ ... a-blackout

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...Let?s look at the reasons for the media blackout.

On one level, it?s all about the CDC, Thompson?s employer. The CDC is a major and continuing source for mainstream reporters. Irritate and anger that source, and you as a reporter are shut out from access in the future.

On another level, the mainstream press is utterly dependent on pharmaceutical advertising. Implicit and explicit threats of ad cancellations are enough to drive any media outlet to its knees, groveling and begging for forgiveness.

Yes, you will certainly find stories about pharma drug scandals in the press. But Thompson?s story strikes at the very heart of the medical complex: its claim to a scientific basis....


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15 Sep 2014, 11:33 am

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JONRAPPOPORT: "CDC whistleblower: behind the media blackout" (September 14, 2014)
http://jonrappoport.wordpress.com/2014/ ... a-blackout

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...Let?s look at the reasons for the media blackout.

On one level, it?s all about the CDC, Thompson?s employer. The CDC is a major and continuing source for mainstream reporters. Irritate and anger that source, and you as a reporter are shut out from access in the future.

On another level, the mainstream press is utterly dependent on pharmaceutical advertising. Implicit and explicit threats of ad cancellations are enough to drive any media outlet to its knees, groveling and begging for forgiveness.

Yes, you will certainly find stories about pharma drug scandals in the press. But Thompson?s story strikes at the very heart of the medical complex: its claim to a scientific basis....


And aliens secretly control the government, but you never hear about it because they control the media, too. Sorry to be so dismissive, but big bad conspiracy theories based on the rantings of a ridiculously tiny number of people rarely turn out to be based in reality (especially in the information age we live in where even easily proven falsehoods gain more traction than this).

And there are hundreds of different people, groups, organizations, and scientific agencies that have researched this subject, and many that were trying to prove a link only achieved results showing a distinct lack thereof.


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15 Sep 2014, 11:57 am

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And aliens secretly control the government, but you never hear about it because they control the media, too. Sorry to be so dismissive, but big bad conspiracy theories based on the rantings of a ridiculously tiny number of people rarely turn out to be based in reality (especially in the information age we live in where even easily proven falsehoods gain more traction than this).

And there are hundreds of different people, groups, organizations, and scientific agencies that have researched this subject, and many that were trying to prove a link only achieved results showing a distinct lack thereof.

The same "coincidence theorists" convinced the nation that it was "just a coincidence" that the "Tuskegee syphilis experiment" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuskegee_ ... experiment (1932-1972) happened, the "Guatemala syphilis experiment" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guatemala ... experiment (1946-1948) happened and the "Contaminated haemophilia blood products" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contamina ... d_products (1980s) happened; at least until those real-life conspiracies were admitted by those (U.S. government and Bayer Corp.) who perpetrated them. Then, there is also the Pfizer scandal http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-14493277 which involved U.S.-based pharmaceutical giant paying compensation to Nigerian families affected by a controversial drug trial 15 years ago.


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And aliens secretly control the government, but you never hear about it because they control the media, too. Sorry to be so dismissive, but big bad conspiracy theories based on the rantings of a ridiculously tiny number of people rarely turn out to be based in reality (especially in the information age we live in where even easily proven falsehoods gain more traction than this).

And there are hundreds of different people, groups, organizations, and scientific agencies that have researched this subject, and many that were trying to prove a link only achieved results showing a distinct lack thereof.

The same "coincidence theorists" convinced the nation that it was "just a coincidence" that the "Tuskegee syphilis experiment" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuskegee_ ... experiment (1932-1972) happened, the "Guatemala syphilis experiment" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guatemala ... experiment (1946-1948) happened and the "Contaminated haemophilia blood products" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contamina ... d_products (1980s) happened; at least until those real-life conspiracies were admitted by those (U.S. government and Bayer Corp.) who perpetrated them. Then, there is also the Pfizer scandal http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-14493277 which involved U.S.-based pharmaceutical giant paying compensation to Nigerian families affected by a controversial drug trial 15 years ago.


All of your examples were brought into the public spotlight, subjected to scrutiny, and deemed to be valid within a short period of being exposed by independant groups. A vaccine-autism link has been repeatedly debunked by independant scientific groups world-wide for more than a decade and a half. Unless it is some sort of international New World Order cover up, I'm afraid the comparisons are not even remotely valid.


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17 Sep 2014, 11:10 am

Looks like the CIA has an interest in its own measles "vaccine" program.

TELEGRAPH.CO.UK: "Dozens of children feared dead after being injected with 'tainted? measles vaccine in Syria" (September 16, 2014)
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... Syria.html

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As many as 36 children were reported to have died excruciating deaths last night after receiving tainted measles vaccines under a UN-sponsored programme in the rebel-held north of Syria. [...] Charity Save the Children said it was 'appalled and deeply saddened' by the deaths....

INDEPENDENT.CO.UK: "Save the Children denies link to CIA raid on Bin Laden" (September 7, 2012)
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world ... 14023.html

Independent.co.uk wrote:
Save the Children last night denied that it had any links to the doctor who helped the CIA eliminate Osama bin Laden in the Pakistani city of Abbottabad last year, but admitted that rumours of an association may have contributed to its international staff being denied visas.

Many international aid groups in Pakistan are working in an atmosphere of deep suspicion, with their work and movement severely restricted following the emergence of the news last year about the doctor, Shakil Afridi, who was used by the CIA in the hunt for Osama bin Laden.

Dr Afridi was arrested by Pakistani authorities after it emerged he had run a fake vaccination programme on behalf of the CIA as part of efforts to track bin Laden. He helped in confirming the identity of the fugitive al-Qa'ida leader, before US Navy Seals launched a raid on his compound last May. All humanitarian workers are being viewed as potential spies by Pakistani officialdom, while violent extremists have targeted foreign and local staff of non-governmental organisations (NGOs), with a spate of killings and kidnappings that appear linked to the revelations on Dr Shakil Afridi....


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