Chick-fil-a and the homophobic sandwich

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You go ballistic when that CEO gives his opinion

I'm saying they have the right to as Americans.

Are you talking about a free speech right, with this being an example of the nasty sort of speech that should not be illegal? If so, you missed my point. My point was never that what they wanted to do was illegal, but that it was a bad idea.

Skinheads are legally allowed to say the n-word way too much and talk about how black people 'aren't even human' if they want. That doesn't make it a good idea.

If not, then you still haven't explained why being specifically American makes any difference.

Would neo-Nazis have the right to set up a building near 9/11 if they were responsible for that attack? After all, not all neo-Nazis are violent people, they have their precious beliefs too. In fact Nazism can be considered not dissimilar to Islam, especially in many Islamic countries. In fact, Islam is more barbaric in many ways than Nazism was - people are stoned to death most days, most weeks. Women are punished for being raped. Jews and Christians are ethnically cleansed, apostates are executed and so on. This is all in the Quran.

Not all neo-Nazis are violent but for many of them, Mein Kampf is their bible. David Irving is a scholarly man, don'tchaknow?

This, for example, was broadcast on Iranian TV on Holocaust Memorial Day:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZUIo0VoPl7U[/youtube]

Free speech, but dodgy free speech at the very best. This is the prevailing attitude amongst a lot of the media and politicians in Iran (see President Dinnerjacket's pronunciation on the Holocaust).

There's a difference between religious freedom and allowing people with well-hidden shady connections (they're very subtle, but they are there - one issue of Rauf's book connects him to Muslim Brotherhood fronts) to terrorism to use your religious freedom as a weapon in order to take a piss on the site of the worst terrorist atrocity on U.S. soil. It's funny how that these people are all very happy for religious freedom when it suits them, yet print a couple of cartoons about Mohammed in a Danish newspaper and they demand the Danish government apologise, threaten the creators of the cartoons with murder (and actually try to carry it out), burn down Danish embassies in Islamic countries and try to suppress free speech (cartoons in Middle Eastern countries of Jews with grotesque big noses, portrayed as Nazis who love to drink Palestinian blood is fine though and definitely isn't offensive at all).

I really think your ideological blindness is preventing you from seeing what's going on here. You can delude yourself to how "American" these people are, but quite a lot of these movers and shakers have connections to terrorism in the Middle East, promote Sharia and the like. Nice people. (Not the ordinary Muslims, but a fair few of the big imams and scholars.)

Anyone with an ounce of sensitivity (like the many American and Canadian Muslims I mentioned earlier who recognised that there is a problem with the site - in fact, Muslim opinion was very divided, with many being ambivalent at best about the site) would accept that this comes across like gloating to many people (even if they didn't believe it was themselves) and found another space for the site. They get their centre and a place to pray and whatever and they don't get people's backs up into the bargain.

Actually visagrunt, this thing has everything to do with Chik-fil-a, because it demonstrates liberal anti-Christian bigotry, by putting your (and other liberals) double standard on display for all to see.

You go ballistic when that CEO gives his opinion, yet you have no idea why people are going ballistic over a Muslim "out-reach center" that was going to be put 2.5 blocks from ground zero as a victory monument for radical Islam.

Actually visagrunt, this thing has everything to do with Chik-fil-a, because it demonstrates liberal anti-Christian bigotry, by putting your (and other liberals) double standard on display for all to see.

You go ballistic when that CEO gives his opinion, yet you have no idea why people are going ballistic over a Muslim "out-reach center" that was going to be put 2.5 blocks from ground zero as a victory monument for radical Islam.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZUIo0VoPl7U[/youtube]

During the NAZI times, Julius Streicher ran crap exactly like this in his anti-Semite rag "Der Sturmer" The Iranians are using the same sort of characetures as did the NAZI anti-semites.

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Did you even know that in the rural United States, there have been attempts to stop the building of new Mosques, or have been subject to vandalism - and that's no where near ground zero, or New York city. Then there was that dumbshit white supremacist who figured he'd shoot up a Sikh temple because he apparently thought it was a Mosque. How is any of that right?

I think you know I'm talking about religious expression.

Nobody said any of that was right. We've just been saying what a terrible idea it was to try to build a mosque on ground zero.

In part it's such a terrible idea because it could inspire more stupid crap for Muslims to have to put up with.



Keeping in mind that I've never said anything about its legality or illegality, how would this even be an argument for its legality? Banning new mosques on ground zero is not the same as banning new mosques.

But should the Catholics be banned from building churches where they want just because some of their priests can't keep their hands off of boys?

You can't blame a whole religion because the actions of the worst of their adherents.

So... you justify some cracker chicken CEO's homophobia by justifying Islamaphobia?

I can't believe I've been sucked back into this diversion from the topic at hand!

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

Well now you are also using racist lingo too, why am I not surprised...



Oh but it is on topic, not a diversion.

You see no problem with a Muslim "Outreach Center" being put up 2.5 blocks from Ground Zero, which was obviously an attempt to set up a monument to celebrate those terrorist attacks on 9/11/2001, it doesn't take an Einstein to figure that out.

Yet you think a CEO should be persecuted and his business ran into the ground because he is asked a question and answers the question honestly (and Homosexual behavior according to the Bible is considered sinful), he said that he opposed same sex marriage, he didn't call for violence (something that you conveinently ignore).

Kraichgauer, I'm not sure how to say what should be said to you without flaming you, and if I had lost a family member on 9/11/2001, I would be entirely justified to flame you for your comments.

The Muslim "Community Center," "Outreach Center," whatever the hell you want to call it was being set up 2.5 blocks from where several thousand people were murdered when Islamofascists flew two Jumbo Jets into the World Trade Center. It was being set up to glorify those fanatics and how they killed thousands of people in the name of their religion.

Nobody died due to that CEO, he advocated no violence, he was asked a question which he answered.

I'm going to go calm down now before I really say something that would get me banned which in all honesty would be a completely appropriate response to your comments earlier and the comments I'm quoting.

The people who want to build that outreach center ARE NOT THE ISLAMOFASCISTS WHO PERPETRATED 9/11!! !!
Nor are they trying to glorify the act.

The accusation that they are is BS smeared about by racists and bigots. And you my friend have fallen for it hook, line, and sinker.

And if I had lost someone in the twin towers, I'd like to think I'd still stand up for the rights of even the most despised but law abiding, in the memory of my lost loved ones.
And that's why I oppose the cracker - yes, I'm calling him a CRACKER! - because he's all for stepping all over the rights of other Americans he doesn't approve of.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

BS!! !

If they were not trying to glorify that act they wouldn't have been trying to place it at Ground Zero even after the families of people that on 9/11/2001 protested it being built.



Stop drinking the Kool-aid.



Well, got news for you a lot of people that lost loved ones on 9/11 would probably disagree with you putting it mildly (including American Muslims)!

Kraichgauer it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out the real motivations of that center, and it wasn't to serve as a memorial, if it was meant to be a memorial they would have had the common decency to respect the wishes of the family members whom lost loved ones and move it further away from ground zero.

Thing is you talk about the CEO being bigotted yet you want to silence him and destroy his business, he hasn't advocated anything of the sort directed towards people that disagree with him. You know what that shows, if you want to see the real bigot, you should look in the mirror, and I'm stating a fact here, not an opinion.