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11 Nov 2021, 12:26 am

This is why any sane person won't buy his little performance crying in front of the cameras
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... nosha.html

He's a little s**t and is not remorseful. I stand by the families of the deceased and so would any other decent person.



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11 Nov 2021, 1:00 am

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The reason it was inadmissible in the trial is because it would incriminate Rittenhouse with intent to kill. While not permitted to be presented, Rittenhouse was caught bragging that he would shoot protesters which makes his crying seem insincere (at best) given he knew (and we all know) i) no business requested his protection and ii) he knew exactly what he was doing arriving at a protest with a loaded weapon where he a) not supposed to be b) broke the curfew and iii) broke the law with weapon possession


Put the shovel down, you're already far over your head here.


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11 Nov 2021, 1:02 am

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cyberdad wrote:
The reason it was inadmissible in the trial is because it would incriminate Rittenhouse with intent to kill. While not permitted to be presented, Rittenhouse was caught bragging that he would shoot protesters which makes his crying seem insincere (at best) given he knew (and we all know) i) no business requested his protection and ii) he knew exactly what he was doing arriving at a protest with a loaded weapon where he a) not supposed to be b) broke the curfew and iii) broke the law with weapon possession


Put the shovel down, you're already far over your head here.


Just talking about the elephant in the china shop.



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11 Nov 2021, 1:04 am

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This is why any sane person won't buy his little performance crying in front of the cameras
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... nosha.html

He's a little s**t and is not remorseful. I stand by the families of the deceased and so would any other decent person.


Hmm, sounds like you're calling anyone who doesn't agree with you insane and indecent based on a tabloid, when those of us who've watched the tapes and the trials say otherwise.


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11 Nov 2021, 1:05 am

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Just talking about the elephant in the china shop.


That you have no clue how any of this works? Everyone is aware.


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11 Nov 2021, 1:09 am

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Just talking about the elephant in the china shop.


That you have no clue how any of this works? Everyone is aware.


Knowing how shoddy legal systems work is quite enlightening, I should imagine Rittenhouse, Sandmann and Zimmerman will be getting together for a beer after all this is over.



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11 Nov 2021, 1:37 am

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Knowing how shoddy legal systems work is quite enlightening, I should imagine Rittenhouse, Sandmann and Zimmerman will be getting together for a beer after all this is over.


Wow, you still can't let Sandmann go, and he never even did anything, the only interaction he had with our legal system was successfully suing the jackwagons who libeled him. What's it like, just blindly believing partisan lies? I'll bet it's relaxing, never really having to think about anything, just being spoon fed the "correct" conclusions, never questioning things.


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11 Nov 2021, 1:38 am

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I hadn't seen that one - I saw this one a few hours ago...
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Okay, yours is better, but mine is homemade, customized for this thread even.


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11 Nov 2021, 2:54 am

cyberdad wrote:
Knowing how shoddy legal systems work is quite enlightening, I should imagine Rittenhouse, Sandmann and Zimmerman will be getting together for a beer after all this is over.


Civil plaintiff =/= criminal defendant



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11 Nov 2021, 3:05 am

TYT have called it for Grosskreutz so his testimony will likely sink his legal case,

TYT also suspect Rosenbaum's action (even if it was throwing a bag) might be taken as sufficiently ambiguous but if I was in the jury I would want to scrutinise this more.

That just leaves Huber's death. Is a skateboard sufficient provocation to get your brains blown?



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11 Nov 2021, 3:17 am

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That just leaves Huber's death. Is a skateboard sufficient provocation to get your brains blown?


Yup. Here's an example from my own hometown that I remembered from when I was younger:

https://archive.seattletimes.com/archiv ... teboard27m

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A 23-year-old who used his skateboard to beat a man who died a few days later pleaded guilty yesterday to first-degree manslaughter.

Timothy R. Strano entered an Alford plea in King County Superior Court, meaning he did not admit to hitting 33-year-old Demetri Andrews but acknowledged that a jury would probably find him guilty.

The incident, which occurred in Seattle's University District in April, stemmed from a traffic dispute.

Andrews, of Renton, was driving home with his girlfriend after an evening lecture when Strano and another skateboarder cut him off at the intersection of Northeast 45th Street and University Way Northeast, according to charging papers.

Words were exchanged, and Andrews got out and argued with Strano's companion, who pushed Andrews to the ground, prosecutors say. Strano swung at him "with all his might," according to one witness, and then ran, charging papers say.

Andrews, a real-estate agent, construction worker and father to a 6-year-old son, slipped into a coma the next day and died two days later.

In court yesterday, Strano was escorted past Andrews' mother, Rothopi Andrews, who shouted at him.

Prosecutors originally charged Strano with second-degree murder, but Senior Deputy Prosecutor Steve Fogg said the charge was changed because of a recent state Supreme Court decision saying a person can't be convicted of murder if the death was the unintended result of an assault.


The tl;dr there is a guy was hit once with a skateboard and died, and if you punch "skateboard attack" into Google, you'll find other cases, including charging documents labeling it as assault with a deadly weapon, which is sufficient to trigger lethal self defense.


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11 Nov 2021, 3:32 am

Dox47 wrote:
cyberdad wrote:

That just leaves Huber's death. Is a skateboard sufficient provocation to get your brains blown?


Yup. Here's an example from my own hometown that I remembered from when I was younger:

https://archive.seattletimes.com/archiv ... teboard27m

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A 23-year-old who used his skateboard to beat a man who died a few days later pleaded guilty yesterday to first-degree manslaughter.

Timothy R. Strano entered an Alford plea in King County Superior Court, meaning he did not admit to hitting 33-year-old Demetri Andrews but acknowledged that a jury would probably find him guilty.

The incident, which occurred in Seattle's University District in April, stemmed from a traffic dispute.

Andrews, of Renton, was driving home with his girlfriend after an evening lecture when Strano and another skateboarder cut him off at the intersection of Northeast 45th Street and University Way Northeast, according to charging papers.

Words were exchanged, and Andrews got out and argued with Strano's companion, who pushed Andrews to the ground, prosecutors say. Strano swung at him "with all his might," according to one witness, and then ran, charging papers say.

Andrews, a real-estate agent, construction worker and father to a 6-year-old son, slipped into a coma the next day and died two days later.

In court yesterday, Strano was escorted past Andrews' mother, Rothopi Andrews, who shouted at him.

Prosecutors originally charged Strano with second-degree murder, but Senior Deputy Prosecutor Steve Fogg said the charge was changed because of a recent state Supreme Court decision saying a person can't be convicted of murder if the death was the unintended result of an assault.


The tl;dr there is a guy was hit once with a skateboard and died, and if you punch "skateboard attack" into Google, you'll find other cases, including charging documents labeling it as assault with a deadly weapon, which is sufficient to trigger lethal self defense.


An interesting piece of trivia: A baseball bat, which most would consider to be an object that can cause serious harm\death if a person were to be struck by one, weighs up to around 3 pounds (1.4 Kg), while a skateboard, which some people don't consider as a potential deadly weapon, weighs around 11 pounds (5 Kg), meaning the skateboard (at over 3 times the weight of a baseball bat) will almost always carry more force on impact (and so do more damage) than a baseball bat in a similar situation.



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11 Nov 2021, 4:35 am

A skateboard is designed to support human weight, so yes it will hurt a lot if swung



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11 Nov 2021, 5:23 am

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An interesting piece of trivia: A baseball bat, which most would consider to be an object that can cause serious harm\death if a person were to be struck by one, weighs up to around 3 pounds (1.4 Kg), while a skateboard, which some people don't consider as a potential deadly weapon, weighs around 11 pounds (5 Kg), meaning the skateboard (at over 3 times the weight of a baseball bat) will almost always carry more force on impact (and so do more damage) than a baseball bat in a similar situation.


Not only that, but the narrow edge provides more striking power, as the force is concentrated on a smaller area, thus creating a greater chance of traumatic injury when used as a weapon, to say nothing of the steel trucks. You can think of it like swinging a blunt but heavy wooden sword.


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11 Nov 2021, 12:16 pm

cyberdad wrote:
TYT have called it for Grosskreutz so his testimony will likely sink his legal case,

TYT also suspect Rosenbaum's action (even if it was throwing a bag) might be taken as sufficiently ambiguous but if I was in the jury I would want to scrutinise this more.

That just leaves Huber's death. Is a skateboard sufficient provocation to get your brains blown?

or maybe it's simpler ...

maybe the jury buys the prosecutor argument that face kicker, Huber, Grosskreutz were heros trying to stop an active shooter, and all fault lies with Rittenhouse for being irresponsible for running around illegally with a rifle at night near crowds of people


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