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If you had bothered to read what someone else had posted in this thread, there are datapoints that would seem to indicate that you quite frankly are simply buying into the talking points of MSDNC, and Puffington Post.



I'm not calling you that cause I want to, I'm calling you that because you are one, hell I've even been pmed by someone whom point blank called you a hypocrit, and I told him to post it on this thread.



How about you stop buying into the "victimhood" narative, stop drinking the kool-aid.



Yeah you kinda did, what's more Islam demands the death of homosexuals, yet I don't see you speaking out about that. You only seem to have a problem when a Christian or Jew says homosexuality is sinful.

It's worthwhile pointing out that they were asked about moving the site elsewhere by the Mayor of New York, noting the obvious sensitivities around the site by victims of 9/11, other Americans and American Muslims alike. They rejected it out of hand; refusing even to discuss it.

As for "Islamophobia": there's nothing wrong with criticising a belief system, or the behaviour of its adherents. There are quite a few well-known websites on the web (I won't name them here) that considers any criticism of anything done in the name of Islam "Islamophobia" to the point where they will actively ignore the behaviour of terrorists and attack those criticising those terrorists with often quite astonishing vitriol and insults. These are popular websites with many followers.

Should I mention the British TV journalist who has had death threats for producing a scholarly and serious documentary on the roots of Islam just a few days ago? Channel 4 have pulled a repeat that was due to air because of this bullying.

If you and your friends want to call me a bigot and a hypocrite, let it fly. I like to think I'm not quite such a wilting flower. I will just say on this matter, I've never fallen back to name calling and personal attacks on other WP members (well, hardly ever).
And why is it that you conservatives claim someone else is playing the victim card if they're minorities? The fact is, gay and Muslim Americans are treated as less than real citizens by some. And unfortunately, that "some" includes people in political power, or in the media.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

But the fact is, I'm not talking about Muslims in the Middle East who kill gays, or violent, unassimilated Muslims in the UK. I'm talking about Americans of the Muslim faith who are part of my county's mainstream life, but who have wrongly been cast under suspicion since the beginning of the War on Terror because of what they believe, and where they or their families had originally come from.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

This is completely irrelevant.


So is this.

Personally, I doubt you're correct about this, because there isn't a sane reason to want to put it there. But even if there are misguided but honest Muslims who want it there, that doesn't mean it isn't a horribly stupid idea.


If that is their intent, they're doing a horribly bad job. What they are doing is bringing suspicion upon themselves, as if there already wasn't enough.

You know which ones have proven themselves, IMHO? The ones who objected to it.




What?

I realize most people arent smart enough to get why they want to put it there. But do you really have to cover your ignorance with anger? First of all why would you even consider the people who died in 9/11 victims. they were money gubbing fascists.

And it wasnt even done by muslims it was a false flag attack. just like pearl harbor anyone notice how we have been at war with every random guy since then? so the whole islam thing is a moot point..

But the main problem people are having here is really, They arent christian and, Ima pretty sure my daddy dun tol me this isa christian country. hiuc. "Because our government was threatend and bribed to put in god we trust on our money.

Anyways the mosque being built there was more about acceptance and moving on. But americans love to hold grudges even if they dont know who to point the gun at.

Have they said why they want to put it there specifically? As in, have they tried to reassure the local community with genuine logic rather than religious bluster, whining, cries of "Islamophobia" to anyone who objects (even other Muslims) and bullying?

No-one's saying that the people who use it aren't American. What's being said is that it's not a good place for it and looks suspicious due to their sheer intransigence and boneheadness and lack of sensitivity to many of the victims and other Americans (odd that - when, say, people are murdered they don't seem to show much sensitivity themselves, these types of people). Worth noting that Rauf fella also has never repudiated Sharia (you know, the legal system used in Saudi which, among other things, prescribes stoning people to death for trivial matters and lowers women to a life of abject slavery and servitude), which is nice of him. So much for his love of American values.

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The Zionist Jew overlords did it, didn't they?

It's not really in good taste to put it there,but no matter how ridiculous it seems they have the right to do so.When I was a teenager I knew a lovely girl from Iran.Her family left Iran immediately after the Shah was deposed,they had to.They probably would of been killed if they had stayed under the Ayatollah's regime.They came to America for freedom,not to be terrorists.Many Muslims have immigrated here for the same reason other immigrants have,a better life,safety, and FREEDOM of religion.I just can't fathom why people can't respect other people's faith.In Joplin Mo the local Mosque has been set on fire twice and that's just sad.
If I were Muslim I would not want to build near ground zero, it does seem to be a really bad idea and I'd be worried about retaliation.But it is America,the land of the free.

George bush is a jew? learn something new everyday lol

actually if you subscribe to David Icke it was Lizards from the lower 4th dimension.

Hey let's leave the lizards out of this

Yes, they'd be second class citizens, because they are told where they can worship and where they can't.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

Okay you're saying someone that you call an incompetitent idiot on a routine basis of having somehow managing to commit 9/11 under everyone's noses and managing to keep it from getting out after all this time.


Somehow I get the feeling you have no clue what you are talking about, Israel also had no motive to attack the US, stop drinking the Kool-Aid

So it isn't reasonable to tell the WBC, for example, that you can protest anywhere you want, just don't do it at funerals?

You do realize there's only one ground zero (for 9/11) in the entire world, right? How is it unreasonable to say 'not there'?

The local please establish a perimeter around cemetaries which the WBC people are not allow to transgress. They can protest funerals, but they are not allowed to get too close to the people participating in the burial services.

ruveyn

Again, for what may be the hundredth time - the people who want to build the Islamic center in New York aren't meaning to hurt anyone, but are legitimately expressing their rights as Americans. The Westborough Baptists, on the other hand, are expressing genuine hatred for gays, soldiers, even the mentally handicapped, etc.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer