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Domestic violence also has a strong correlation with mass shootings. In this case, he allegedly beat up his female partners and later took that violence to his other community.

Yes people who are not mentally ill can do that and worse. It often comes out under the shroud of war and conflict.

But what is mental illness? I usually mean it to be insanity, some types of schizophrenia, mentally disabled, etc.

Then there is anxiety, depression, bipolar, PTSD, etc.

Those are a sort of mental illness too. But with all the broad catagories identified today it would be hard to find someone, anyone, who isn't mentally ill.

So to me the dividing line is sanity, and knowing the effect of your actions. Otherwise no one would ever be convicted of anything, and personal protection laws would be meaningless.

I do not oppose treating mental illnesses both big and small. But the block seems to be more people not knowing or wanting to believe they have issues and/or not wanting to go for treatment/therapies (or following instructions). In the USA today you can get treatment most anywhere and free if you can't afford it. If anything the process needs to be standardized and streamlined, as the paperwork/redtape/long waits does deter participation.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/omar-matee ... -1.3636435

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2016/06/o ... 16268.html

http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/14/us/orland ... -wife-fbi/


I think we can rule out the wife as being any reliable source of neutral facts, she had vested interest in making him a "normal " brand of crazy.

And it seems the news was kinda not separating that the two women he had married. They are doing damage control.


I mean, as Obama goes for gun grab speech on HOME GROWN terrorism, this nutbag extremist TOLD his hostages he was doing it for "His Country" that is being bombed by US .


Actually, in this case, I think he must wanted to be a martyr and stop having a daily grind even more than religious fervor. I mean, over the last 4 years he couldn't decide what group he should support... Hezbollah or ISIS

Being a martyr makes sense if that's a way that he could absolve his sins and get on the fast train to Paradise. Do you have to understand what your cause really is for it to work, though? Religion is confusing.

Removing the mentally ill from owning weapons isn't fair, though.

The majority of the mentally ill (that includes those with AS) will never do such a thing.

Really, all I see is people blaming gunz, Muslims, mental illness, and whatnot, with different sides picking and choosing the ones they like, when in reality if you agree with one you should agree with all. Nearly all people that own an AR in the US won't do such. Nearly all Muslims in the US won't do such. The same with the mentally ill.

You either go authoritarian for everyone (which is the most fair), or you accept these things happen (which are statistically insignificant, except for the victims, of course). There's no promise that authoritarianism will stop them from happening, however.

How about extending universal mental health care to anyone who needs it? But God forbid, that would involve... (gulp) raising taxes! Maybe the incentive for making those with the means to pay more taxes should be: be willing to part with some more money for the sake of your fellow citizens with mental illnesses, and you and your loved ones will be less likely to be shot to death.

Here... have some Evidence of how it is possible to hire any number of people with questionable history...

...rather than say any more I am just going to quote one of the comments that someone made in response...

Mental health awareness [and subsequent treatment] through ads, employers, and school systems (religious ones too can be offered to promote the awareness), should help society and offer tangible benefits, including increased productivity that can increase wages and profits, which can mean you can fund it without even increasing taxes much at all (government has an incentive to fit it within the current system--which means it'll have a much greater chance of passing than with the arguments that will pop up with taxation).

I doubt it'd stop these rare events that will happen no matter, but it'd help stuff like suicides from depression, and I'd say it'd help common forms of murder too that arise from unchecked emotional problems (cheating spouse murders, for example. If people know beforehand how to cope, then they might not get to the murderous stage of emotions).

But yes, mental health awareness and help will always help society due to how prevalent mental health problems are and the outcomes of untreated mental illness--which tend to be quality of life problems for the individuals and performing less than they normally would.

The NPR show On The Media has put together some breaking news consumer's guides. They're worth a look, particularly the one for mass shootings.