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A well-stated, concise analysis. Especially as to the last sentence, it should be remembered that those who lie down with dogs should not be surprised when they get up with fleas.

Why would anyone associate themselves with the Democrats who have voted for wars that have killed millions?

I like Sly. Sly is my friend. I don't agree with him politically. It doesn't mean I don't think he's my friend.

John Adams and Thomas Jefferson hated each other politically; but they were the best of friends.

“You can witness for me,” Adams wrote to his son John Quincy concerning Jefferson’s opposition, “how loath I have been to give him up. It is with much reluctance that I am obliged to look upon him as a man whose mind is warped by prejudice. … however wise and scientific as a philosopher, as a politician he is a child and the dupe of party.” ...

Jefferson’s nearly Herculean powers of self-denial helped keep the Republican cause pure, at least in the privacy of his own mind. In 1798 he commissioned James Callender, a notorious scandalmonger who had recently broken the story on Hamilton’s adulterous affair with Maria Reynolds, to write a libelous attack on Adams. In The Prospect Before Us , Callender delivered the goods, describing Adams as “a hoary headed incendiary” who was equally determined on war with France and on declaring himself President-for-life—both suggestions were preposterous—with John Quincy lurking in the background as his biological successor to “the American throne.”

When confronted with the charge that despite his position as Vice President, he had paid Callender to write diatribes against the President, Jefferson claimed to know nothing about it. Callender subsequently published Jefferson’s incriminating letters, proving his complicity, and the Vice President seemed genuinely surprised at the revelation, suggesting that for Jefferson the deepest secrets were not the ones he kept from his enemies but the ones he kept from himself ... It was while James Callender was serving his sentence for libel in a Richmond jail that he first heard rumors of Jefferson’s sexual liaison with a mulatto slave named Sally Hemings. He subsequently published the story after deciding that Jefferson had failed to pay him adequately for his hatchet job on Adams ...

On March 4, 1801, the day of his inauguration, however, Jefferson did not have Adams by his side as he rode down a stump-infested Pennsylvania Avenue to the yet unfinished Capitol. Rather than lend his presence to the occasion, Adams had taken the four-o’clock stage out of town that morning in order to rejoin Abigail. Apart from a brief note wishing him well, Adams did not exchange another word with Jefferson for twelve years.

Abigail managed to have the last word on the thoroughly modern and wholly partisan political world that Jefferson’s Presidency inaugurated. In 1804, after he attempted to open a correspondence with her and, so he hoped, with her husband, Abigail cut him short with a one-sentence rejection: “Faithful are the wounds of a friend.” It was a fitting epitaph for the Adams Presidency.

Damn! I agree with you! You lie down with either of the two parties that have been bought and paid for by corporate America, you'll not only wake up with fleas, but also with a red, white, and blue dick crammed right up your ass!

I wonder how many people on WP think I'm deplorable.

Damn! I agree with you! You lie down with either of the two parties that have been bought and paid for by corporate America, you'll not only wake up with fleas, but also with a red, white, and blue dick crammed right up your ass!

In the present time, we are confronted with a racist, fascist Mango Mussolini. It's vital in such an instance that we unite in our fleas and defeat the would-be badmanorange Palpatine who threatens the United States of America.

I wonder how many people on WP think I'm deplorable.

Well, that's a rather more colorful allusion, but I won't argue with the essence of it, except to this point:

When the country is in existential danger from an incipient fascist takeover, you unite with whoever it is that will support opposing it. You may have to hold your nose (or swat fleas off yourself) while doing it, but you do it because in Ben Franklin's words (digression on this Thanksgiving Day: Ben Franklin thought the noble turkey, not the thieving eagle, should be our national bird, end digression):

"We must, indeed, all hang together or, most assuredly, we shall all hang separately."

You're making the same mistake the communists did in the face of fascist Nazi Germany. At first, the communists actually worked with the nazis, then, when they saw themselves in actual, physical danger, they initiated a "United Front", composed of only communists and some left socialists in order to maintain the purity of their ideology. Only after this United Front failed to stop Hitler did they produce a "Popular Front" of everyone who was opposed to Hitler, even actual conservatives. But by then it was far too late. Hitler had consolidated his position.

In the present time, we are confronted with a racist, fascist Mango Mussolini. It's vital in such an instance that we unite in our fleas and defeat the would-be badmanorange Palpatine who threatens the United States of America.

I've been hearing the same, tired argument for years. Sorry, but I stopped playing the "lesser of two evils" game years ago. Why would I support the Dems, when they're corruption put Trump in the White House? It rather defies logic, don't you think?

I have voted for third parties, I have voted for write in candidates much to the consternation of local election workers who have to do extra work. My non team player stance angers people more than when I side with one of the teams. I have been widely viewed as a wasting my vote, a cop out, an enabler of the other evil side.

As anybody who reads my posts knows I genuinely fear an angry, elitist, censorious, “proven right” left takeover that I think would follow a Trump/conservative/libertarian repudiation.

Yet I will vote for whomever has the best chance to beat Trump and take almost any maggot in any oriface in order to not have a Trump second term. The mans personality is most unsuted for his job. It has not happened yet and I sincerly hope it never does but a person with his personality, his impulsiveness, his immaturaty having control of the nuclear codes IMHO is a potential existential threat to the world. Survival is more important then any other thing.

If hopefully my fears turn out to be paranoid delusions there are serious consequences of a Trump second term. His hiring by American voters did not result in America turning into anything resembling Nazi Germany, but it wounded checks and balances and hurt this countries reputation. In 2016 there was always there was the possibilty the office might tame him. In 2020 if we rehire him knowing what we know frankly it is “triggering” for me to even try and think of the consequences. It would mean the left have would have blown even more of a sure thing, that there is no credible opposition. I will grant you it might be neccessary short term pain for long term gain in order to form a third party. But I am not sure we can figurativly or literally survive the process. Even if we can survive I probably won’t be around to see the benifits.