Fauci forecast: 100,000 - 200,000 American deaths.

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10 Apr 2020, 5:24 am

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Most ridiculous thing I’ve seen in ages.. measuring the height of a tree by excluding the entire top foliage part of it. Stupid.

The top of a tree is at the top of it.

One does not exclude the tip when measuring other things. Checkmate.


At the doctor's office they don't measure my afro. Checkmate.



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10 Apr 2020, 5:27 am

We have no palm trees in the streets and beaches of NYC.

Very few people have them as adornments or decorations.



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10 Apr 2020, 5:28 am

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So long as your both happy in your palm measuring contest :lol:


Glad you guys are productively occupied :lol:


This is the kind of thing that results after the 3rd week of a quarantine.



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10 Apr 2020, 9:20 am

Canada is obviously jealous of our superior palm trees.
Palm envy plain and simple.
On a sad note the palms in Palm Springs CA are causing the extinction of a desert lizard.Birds of prey now have a nice perch to sit on to see the lizards better.
Even when man thinks he’s improving the environment he screws it up.


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10 Apr 2020, 9:41 am

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Not really impressed with those palms either.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.zmesci ... trees/amp/


Here are some we have in town.

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As someone who grew up in the Southwest and spend a lot of time in California, I laughed my ass off when I saw those dwarf palms for the first time.


I absolutely love those gray skies. It's like that often where I live, but probably less often than where you live. People say they get depressed when they can't see the sun. Not me. I prefer skies to look like those in your picture. I'm calmer and I don't need really dark sunglasses outside when it's like that.



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10 Apr 2020, 9:46 am

It doesn’t make sense to have palm trees in the Pacific Northwest.

If they grow naturally there, fine. That’s the way it is.

But I feel cognitive dissonance...like the presence of pine trees in Trinidad and Tobago (though they do exist there).

By the way, in interior northern Florida, especially on the Panhandle, there are very few naturally-growing palm trees.



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10 Apr 2020, 9:48 am

Magna wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Misslizard wrote:
Not really impressed with those palms either.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.zmesci ... trees/amp/


Here are some we have in town.

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As someone who grew up in the Southwest and spend a lot of time in California, I laughed my ass off when I saw those dwarf palms for the first time.


I absolutely love those gray skies. It's like that often where I live, but probably less often than where you live. People say they get depressed when they can't see the sun. Not me. I prefer skies to look like those in your picture. I'm calmer and I don't need really dark sunglasses outside when it's like that.


That is the perfect kind of sky to me. Overcast enough to be comforting to the eyes, but still bright enough for colors to be vibrant. And the clouds are cool looking. Lots of layers.



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10 Apr 2020, 9:50 am

EzraS wrote:
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absolutely love those gray skies.  It's like that often where I live, but probably less often than where you live.  People say they get depressed when they can't see the sun.  Not me.  I prefer skies to look like those in your picture.  I'm calmer and I don't need really dark sunglasses outside when it's like that.
That is the perfect kind of sky to me.  Overcast enough to be comforting to the eyes, but still bright enough for colors to be vibrant.  And the clouds are cool looking.  Lots of layers.
Same here.  I love being able to go outside without wearing those stupid goggles that make me look like I'm blind or that I just had eye surgery.


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10 Apr 2020, 9:53 am

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It doesn’t make sense to have palm trees in the Pacific Northwest.

If they grow naturally there, fine. That’s the way it is.

But I feel cognitive dissonance...like the presence of pine trees in Trinidad and Tobago (though they do exist there).


I don't think they grow naturally anywhere in North America. They are all transplanted as far as I know.



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10 Apr 2020, 9:58 am

EzraS wrote:
kraftiekortie wrote:
It doesn’t make sense to have palm trees in the Pacific Northwest.

If they grow naturally there, fine. That’s the way it is.

But I feel cognitive dissonance...like the presence of pine trees in Trinidad and Tobago (though they do exist there).


I don't think they grow naturally anywhere in North America. They are all transplanted as far as I know.

One that I know of.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sabal_palmetto


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10 Apr 2020, 10:00 am

They do grow naturally in the following places:

Most of central and southern Florida/coastal northern Florida

Lowland/coastal California

Coastal North Carolina

Coastal South Carolina

Coastal Georgia

Coastal Louisiana

Coastal and southern Texas

Lowland southern Arizona

All of Hawaii except very highland areas.

Coastal Mississippi and Alabama

Extreme southeast coastal Virginia

A few in Oklahoma



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10 Apr 2020, 10:14 am

I’ll give Canada credit for gifting the world with the Labrador Retreiver.We owe them that.
But then they did infect the world with Bieber Fever...Almost as deadly as corona.


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10 Apr 2020, 10:15 am

So way down in the south parts of North America.



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10 Apr 2020, 10:21 am

You can get palm trees in coastal areas up to about 35 degrees north latitude.

I find it absurd to see palm trees in northern areas. It’s just ridiculous.

I feel like maple trees, pine trees, beech trees, etc, are fine and dandy and natural.



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10 Apr 2020, 1:46 pm

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I’ll give Canada credit for gifting the world with the Labrador Retreiver.We owe them that.
But then they did infect the world with Bieber Fever...Almost as deadly as corona.


If you don’t care for his music, at least Justin Bieber’s music videos can be enjoyed on mute. 8)


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10 Apr 2020, 6:49 pm

Back to the model. The model prediction is a bust as it forecasted 100,000 to 200,000 deaths with social distancing. Even if at the end of the day that is the amount of deaths that happens the model failed despite getting it right in the first place. Models having radically different predictions from run to run is not unusual. This is why one should never make policy based on models especially one model as Dr. Fauci appears to have done.

Models are useful tools if you know how to use them. Models have “biases”, simplistically some predict to high, some too low, some are better at short range forecasting, some at long range forecasting etc. The good scientific forecaster looks at all the models and takes into account their biases and reliabilities and combines it with their own expertise of how things work.

I don’t know how many pandemic forecasting models there are or how good they are.

Forecasting this disease has always been fraught. It is new and behaving atypically. Some people have mild presentations for 9 or 10 days then suddenly need a ventilator. Others have described multiple faux recoveries, others diarrhea and nothing else with this so called respiratory disease, others diarrhea before the fevers and shortness of breath. Then there are 50 percent of people who test positive with no symptoms. What is up with that? Sometimes I wonder if this more then one disease. This whole phenomenon is just weird. That is why people having victory dances over their coronavirus is overhyped predictions might be premature, or they may be more right then they know.


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