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11 Nov 2021, 1:17 pm



Tucker Carlson bringing the bantz. "So Joseph Rosenbaum died as he lived, trying to touch an unwilling minor"


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11 Nov 2021, 4:13 pm

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This is why any sane person won't buy his little performance crying in front of the cameras
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... nosha.html

He's a little s**t and is not remorseful. I stand by the families of the deceased and so would any other decent person.


He's 17 years old without a fully developed brain (that takes until age 25 in men). Of course he's a little &^$* and of course he is full of false bravado. It doesn't mean his tears weren't real. It doesn't mean his thoughts have not run the full gambit now that he has had a year to think about it. It doesn't mean he didn't panic in the situation.

The only thing the defense needs is reasonable doubt. The shooting may not be in doubt, but the intent of it certainly is, and if the jury sees any possibility he actually feared for his life, they won't convict.

I was thrilled when he was charged; I thought it was the right thing to do. But from small pieces I've followed from the trial, I have to accept he will not be convicted, and that may actually be the right decision under the law. It isn't about what I or you believe or want.

I stand with the families of the deceased, as well, and hate that this youth has been treated like a hero by extremists, but the reality of his youth remains, and 17 year old boys tend to be all reaction, false bravado, and limited analytical thinking about the situations they are in. What I saw in the video of his breakdown was a youth in way over his head, and I have no doubt he actually is.

Ideally, all youth would be given the same consideration in their trials that I think he should be. The unfair part is that I don't think they are.


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11 Nov 2021, 4:16 pm

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TYT have called it for Grosskreutz so his testimony will likely sink his legal case,

TYT also suspect Rosenbaum's action (even if it was throwing a bag) might be taken as sufficiently ambiguous but if I was in the jury I would want to scrutinise this more.

That just leaves Huber's death. Is a skateboard sufficient provocation to get your brains blown?

or maybe it's simpler ...

maybe the jury buys the prosecutor argument that face kicker, Huber, Grosskreutz were heros trying to stop an active shooter, and all fault lies with Rittenhouse for being irresponsible for running around illegally with a rifle at night near crowds of people


Haven't the court been weeding out jurors who have expressed sympathy for the victims?



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11 Nov 2021, 5:31 pm

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I was thrilled when he was charged; I thought it was the right thing to do.


Why? And would that have changed had he been 6 months older?


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11 Nov 2021, 7:50 pm

I don't believe Rittenhouse;s tears are sincere. His lawyer coached him using the same trick used by the Sandmann family when they sued the Washington post over reporting of the Covington incident.

Here's Rittenhouse while on bail shortly after killing Huber and Rosenbaum

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He's drinking beer while underaged with members of a white supremacist group throwing an OK sign (w white supremacist hand signal) and wearing a t-shirt that says "I'm free as f**k"

I doubt the parents of the dead men aren't going to buy that somebody who is celebrating after killing people can suddenly become remorseful on cue when taking the stand to defend himself.



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11 Nov 2021, 8:19 pm

Rittenhouse jury gets long weekend; closing arguments in homicide trial set for Monday

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An expert witness testified Thursday it took very little time for Kyle Rittenhouse to kill two men and wound another during protests last year.

Citing his analysis of several videos of the events, John Black told jurors in Rittenhouse's homicide trial the teen's first four shots at Joseph Rosenbaum took three-quarters of a second.

From the first of those shot to the eighth and final shot that wounded Gaige Grosskreutz in the arm a couple blocks away on Sheridan Road, less than a minute and half expired, Black said.

Black said the video helps establish, objectively, what occurred.

"Does the video necessarily show what the actors are viewing?" defense attorney Mark Richards asked.

Black said it can't, because people focus on some things at a time, and can't see everything in real time like a camera.

"So, ... video is two-dimensional, and reality is three-dimensional?" Richards asked?

"At a minimum," Black said.

The defense called two other witnesses Thursday.

Kenosha police Officer Brittni Bray testified she recovered spent shell casings from Rittenhouse's rifle in the area where he shot twice at unidentified man, killed Anthony Huber with one shot and wounded Grosskreutz.

On cross-examination, Bray also said she's very familiar with AR-15 rifles, and they sometimes jam after the round has fired. Empty casings can eject after a rerack. Prosecutor Thomas Binger asked what would happen if you pulled the trigger on a jammed rifle without re-racking.

"It would go click," she said. "It wouldn't go bang."

The final defense witness was an Arizona man who had come to Kenosha to take video of rioting.

Frank "Drew" Hernandez said he is now a "professional commentator" for Real America's Voice. He took video with a bodycam and his cellphone the night of the shootings.

After hiring an attorney in Wisconsin, he turned over all his video to lawyers in the case. He said he took video at protest and riots around the country during the summer of 2020.

Hernandez said he had seen Rosenbaum acting aggressively during the evening, behavior described by other witnesses and seen on several videos. Hernandez said he had little contact with Rittenhouse but saw him trying to calm some protesters in front of the Car Source business. He and other armed men and an armed woman from West Bend were guarding the business.

Binger cited a tweet Hernandez posted within an hour of the Rosenbaum shooting. Binger argued it showed Hernandez's bias in favor of Rittenhouse, and noted that Hernandez had been referring to him as "Kyle" during his testimony.

"Were your videos very slanted against rioters?" Binger asked.

"Because they are rioting in the footage, absolutely," he said.

In its rebuttal case, the prosecution introduced two photos taken from some drone video seen earlier in the case. That drone recorded footage from south of the 63rd Street car lot, giving a different perspective and clearer view of Rittenhouse killing Rosenbaum.

Rittenhouse said it did not, so the state introduced the photos to rebut that. The defense argued to block the photos, arguing the state crime lab expert who produced them from the video couldn't fully explain the algorithms that allow digital image enlargement.

At the request of both sides, Judge Bruce Schroeder agreed to let the jury have a three-day weekend before returning to hear closing arguments on Monday. He and the lawyers will spend Friday ironing which instructions he will give the jury before closing arguments.

Prosecutors also said they intend to ask for lesser-included offenses on some of the counts, including a first-degree intentional homicide charge in the death of Anthony Huber.

When a judge instructs about lesser-included offenses, jurors have the option of finding the defendant guilty of a related charge if they don't believe prosecutors proved all the elements of the primary charge.



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The judge presiding over the homicide trial of Kyle Rittenhouse confused observers after making a strange and off-color joke inside the courtroom on Thursday.

"I hope the Asian food isn't coming.. isn't on one of those boats from Long Beach Harbor," said Kenosha County Circuit Court Judge Bruce Schroeder as the court was preparing to take a lunch break.


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11 Nov 2021, 9:07 pm

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Judge in Kyle Rittenhouse trial makes inappropriate Asian food joke
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The judge presiding over the homicide trial of Kyle Rittenhouse confused observers after making a strange and off-color joke inside the courtroom on Thursday.

"I hope the Asian food isn't coming.. isn't on one of those boats from Long Beach Harbor," said Kenosha County Circuit Court Judge Bruce Schroeder as the court was preparing to take a lunch break.


I assumer based on judge Schroeder's character so far that he'll be giving Kyle a "high 5" at the end of proceedings and posing with the local Kenosha militia.



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11 Nov 2021, 10:15 pm

Gaige GrossKreutz who is a paramedic and the third shooting victim reacts to Rittenhouse crying.

The lone survivor shot by Kyle Rittenhouse in Kenosha, Wisconsin, last year has said he believes the teen’s emotional display at his murder trial was mostly about him being “upset that he was caught” for the shootings.
https://www.news.com.au/world/north-ame ... 7c2069254f

“To me, it seemed like a child who just gotten caught doing something that he wasn’t supposed to — more upset that he was caught and less upset about what he had done and what he had taken and the numerous lives that he affected through his actions that night,” Grosskreutz said on Good Morning America

Grosskreutz’s lawyer, Kimberly Motley, said Rittenhouse’s testimony that he acted in self-defence was “inconsistent” with what unfolded the night of Aug. 25, 2020.

“You know, he was not, I believe, in imminent fear of danger for his own life,” she said, noting that the teen was an “active shooter.”

“People need to pay attention to the inconsistent statements from the … defendant.”



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11 Nov 2021, 11:13 pm

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I assumer based on judge Schroeder's character so far that he'll be giving Kyle a "high 5" at the end of proceedings and posing with the local Kenosha militia.


Calm down. Your reaction is over the top.



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12 Nov 2021, 12:19 am

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I assumer based on judge Schroeder's character so far that he'll be giving Kyle a "high 5" at the end of proceedings and posing with the local Kenosha militia.


Calm down. Your reaction is over the top.


I've started with Friday beers so I'm over this trial.



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12 Nov 2021, 1:07 am

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I was thrilled when he was charged; I thought it was the right thing to do.


Why? And would that have changed had he been 6 months older?


I left a whole lot of mitigation off that comment didn’t I? When he was first charged I hadn’t done much research. As I noted when the trail first started, I have since come to realize it was one heck of a lot more nuanced and complicated.

I worded as I did because I wanted cyberdad to understand I can relate to his sentiments, even if I no longer agree with many of them.

Under the law 3 months difference in age matters, but I would personally feel the same. The brain is not fully formed.


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12 Nov 2021, 1:13 am

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I don't believe Rittenhouse;s tears are sincere. His lawyer coached him using the same trick used by the Sandmann family when they sued the Washington post over reporting of the Covington incident.

Here's Rittenhouse while on bail shortly after killing Huber and Rosenbaum

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He's drinking beer while underaged with members of a white supremacist group throwing an OK sign (w white supremacist hand signal) and wearing a t-shirt that says "I'm free as f**k"

I doubt the parents of the dead men aren't going to buy that somebody who is celebrating after killing people can suddenly become remorseful on cue when taking the stand to defend himself.


That is a year ago.

Now, I realize a lot of far right voices have been sitting in his ear, but so has the simple reality of time and contemplation. We don’t know where his mind has gone during long nights trying to sleep. Odds are very good that the national attention, reality of taking a life, and the precarious nature of the original situation that night have all taken their toll.


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12 Nov 2021, 1:57 am

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That is a year ago.

Now, I realize a lot of far right voices have been sitting in his ear, but so has the simple reality of time and contemplation. We don’t know where his mind has gone during long nights trying to sleep. Odds are very good that the national attention, reality of taking a life, and the precarious nature of the original situation that night have all taken their toll.


From what a member of his legal team has stated in the past, he spent the first 3 weeks in jail throwing up every day as a result of what occurred on that night... I believe I have mentioned this in another thread of the subject (and\or linked to videos where this is discussed).



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12 Nov 2021, 1:58 am

Where things ended on Thursday (just finished watching witness questioning):
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12 Nov 2021, 2:02 am

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I left a whole lot of mitigation off that comment didn’t I? When he was first charged I hadn’t done much research. As I noted when the trail first started, I have since come to realize it was one heck of a lot more nuanced and complicated.


Yeah, it's not just you, the media malpractice on this one has been off the charts, I have friends who are literally just now finding out that the people he shot were all white, that he shot them at close range during scuffles (some actually thought he picked them off like a sniper, or just opened fire on the crowd), that the men he killed all had extensive criminal records, etc. Some of them are so invested in the narrative that was spun that they still refuse to believe what happened, going so far as to deny the objective reality captured on video (as we've seen here as well), even some of my friends who are normally both media skeptical and in favor of criminal justice reform. This has been such a great example of why I insist on a balanced media diet, for all of their faults FOX and company have been far more accurate about this case from the beginning, and even my heterodox liberal journalists I follow have been blown away by the blatant bias in the mainstream media. Don't even get me started on the hypocrisy from "criminal justice reformers" screaming for maximum punishment and getting mad that the prosecution has been called out for blatant misconduct, it's been so obvious that they only want due process for those on their "team".


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12 Nov 2021, 2:07 am

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Where things ended on Thursday (just finished watching witness questioning):
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The internet has christened those two Littlefinger and Fatlock, lol. I don't normally like to mock people for their looks, but prosecutors who try and cheat to get a conviction lose their protection in my book. I'd love to see Littlefinger catch a censure for those stunts he pulled, though that's not likely.


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